This works: Adonal Foyle Salary: $7,312,500 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 4.2 REB: 5.9 AST: 0.5 PER: 10.18 Mickael Pietrus Salary: $1,910,520 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 11.4 REB: 3.5 AST: 0.9 PER: 12.90 for Tyson Chandler Salary: $8,299,670 Years Remaining: 5 PTS: 5.4 REB: 8.9 AST: 1.1 PER: 12.11 Othella Harrington Salary: $3,200,000 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 5.3 REB: 2.7 AST: 0.5 PER: 12.02 I don't know what Chicago's stance with Tyson is, but Pietrus would be a good 3 to play alongside Heinrich and Gordon. We could add Taft to this deal to give them a little more in the frontcourt.
Adonal Foyle Salary: $7,312,500 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 4.2 REB: 5.9 AST: 0.5 PER: 10.18 Mickael Pietrus Salary: $1,910,520 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 11.4 REB: 3.5 AST: 0.9 PER: 12.90 Chris Taft Salary: $423,762 Years Remaining: 0 PTS: 2.8 REB: 2.1 AST: 0.1 PER: 15.88 for Marcus Camby Salary: $9,400,000 Years Remaining: 4 PTS: 14.8 REB: 12.0 AST: 1.5 PER: 21.42 We could leave out Taft and it would still work, but I don't know if Denver would go for it. I don't know if they'd go for all 3! My theory is to try to package the dead-weight contract of Foyle with the high-flying Pietrus and maybe a rookie to tempt someone into biting.
Yeah I don't know what's going to happen this trade deadline. I kind of look forward to something happening for the Warriors. At least that would bring a little bit of some positive thinking after a terrible game last night. But really, I don't see anybody who is really wanted and that would be really easy to deal. Jason, Murphy, and Dunleavy are all BYC now, I believe, and without that trade exemption I think it will be difficult to move either of those three. Foyle will not be moving, unless if part of a big package, similar to the one that got Fortson out of here. Fisher is playing well, so maybe I have some hope that something could bite there, but I don't know, I have my doubts. Then there is the whole group of rookies and second year players and Pietrus along with Zarko. I don't really see anything too exciting out there that would help the Warriors if they traded those young players. But anyway, I am reading about how these players like Steve Francis are being traded for expiring contracts, and I think I even read something where KG might had been proposed to be dealt for expiring contracts and even Allen Iverson. Well this is my very dumb trade proposal, just to get thoughts. I don't know if I'd want to do this deal, but I'll see what you guys think about it, I guess. Outgoing Jason Richardson 6-6 SG from Michigan State 22.6 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.5 minutes Adonal Foyle 6-10 C from Colgate 4.2 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 23.8 minutes Derek Fisher 6-1 PG from Arkansas-Little Rock 12.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 3.4 apg in 28.6 minutes Incoming Keith Van Horn 6-10 SF from Utah 9.7 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 21.4 minutes Devin Harris 6-3 PG from Wisconsin 10.2 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 3.2 apg in 23.3 minutes Van Horn is a huge expiring contract that gets rid of the Fisher/Foyle contracts(mistakes) and it kind of is a way to reconstruct the back court, hopefully with players that are better defensively and a little better with passing. Also the deal will work actually with either Devin Harris or Marquis Daniels, thinking about it again, maybe Daniels would be more desireable for the Warriors because he's taller and actually a 2 guard. And either of those two players are decent. The Mavericks get Jason Richardson who is good and can put up good numbers and really help I'd imagine, somehow. And Fisher is an experienced championship PG, and very clutch. And Foyle, well Foyle is kind of the trade off for giving up Jason in this deal I suppose.
Clif, I don't know if I like that trade. If we give up Jason Richardson, our highest fg%, high volume scorer, I'd be pissed. Plus for Mullin it would be admitting he screwed up with the Fisher/Foyle deals. I'd rather not trade away a potential all-star to undo two awful deals. If we're reconstructing the backcourt, Pietrus better be damn ready to be consistent. I don't think he's smart enough, but his quickness on offense and defense is much needed in a slower backcourt where Baron and Richardson get burned by lighter, quicker guards. We could do Monta Ellis as shooting guard, but I like pure position guys. And I guess Pietrus/Richardson are closer to pure position guys in terms of size. If we did such a trade, we'd have to find some answer in the draft to be our prototypical two guard like the Ray Allen or young Allan Houston Type. I'd even take a Doug Christie if it means more defensive pressure in the backcourt.
I agree with you Custodian, but I see something else... It's not that Jason Richardson is the problem. Jason definitley is not the problem. My thinking is more based on what is the solution. As Warriors fans we have discussed what, how, who, etc. the Warriors should play. I think many discussions have been for more players like Monta Ellis who are capable with a lot of ability by handling the ball, by playing good defense, and having "fundamentals". We kind of have a basis of this with Baron Davis, Ellis, Mike Dunleavy, and Ike Diogu. Then there are also guys who can really get after it defensively with Pietrus and Biedrins and maybe even Taft if he's healthy, in the post; all of which I think could be decent offensively as well, definitley above par. This trade would enable this team to keep these players that we have kind of believed, if I can say we, in discussions about what makes a winning team. And this is kind of big, because without it, the Warriors would have no chance of retaining these players, starting with Pietrus next year. As for worries about not having that legit SG, I like Pietrus. Pietrus has been very good shooting from the perimeter and we know he can take it to the rim, so I think offensively Pietrus would be fine there, and maybe even better there, playing in maybe his more natural position. But really my trade idea is kind of extreme, and though I don't see it being the ONE step to put this team to playing good basketball, I think it can be one of the steps to help build the team back to that level, that is if they don't become stupid with their money, which is kind of likely with the Warriors.
I saw what you were getting at Clif. But thanks for explaining anyway. My one problem with Jrich is that compared to other shooting guards he's not the ideal position player for it. He can't dribble very well, he's not that quick moving laterally, he can't hit free throws. In fact his game is more familar with that of forwards than guards. Maybe that's why Mullin sought Dunleavy who is a forward that plays like a guard. All these criss cross matchups are driving me crazy. There is one thing that Richardson is starting to do very well and that's when he posts up or he's hitting shots moving without the ball. It's very Rip Hamilton-like when it comes to the midrange game. Now if the team can recognize making Jrich better in this fashion we'd be doing other things off the ball to help out. Give the shooter more options on the catch like drive or dish. It's why I like Pietrus' activity moving off the ball because it draws defenders into chasing him or it frees him up for an open slam. Jrich can find others too. Ike, Baron and Dunleavy would be additonal players that can recongize where to be according to the situation and would make good passes to find the next guy if they pass up the shot. So I guess you're kind of seeing where I'm getting at. I'd be only wililing to move Murphy. Don't know if it would get rid of Foyle and Fish as well, but I'm thinking addition by subtraction. I felt we were much better when we had Clif Robinson/Erick Dampier because they were at least capable defending big men that could score some, make passes, and show a little more toughness when it comes to the dirty work off the ball. I used to be a big fan of Murphy in 2002, but it seems like something has changed ever since we lost Dampier and Murphy's offensive role increased. It just stops the offense. So we throw Ike in there, maybe some of Taft and Jrich/Pietrus can be the guard/forward combo for now.
NBA TV is reporting this one, some Laker "Insiders" also say this deal has legs ... <u>Lakers Outgoing</u> Chris Mihm Devean George <u>Lakers Incoming</u> Carlos Boozer <u>Warriors Incoming</u> Chris Mihm Devean George <u>Warriors Outgoing</u> Troy Murphy Derek Fisher <u>Jazz Incoming</u> Troy Murphy Derek Fisher <u>Jazz Outgoing</u> Carlos Boozer
That would suck, I wouldn't give up Murphy and Fisher for Mihm and George. I would however take Boozer.
That deal is interesting, but I don't think it works for the Lakers in terms of contracts. There has to be something missing for this to be true... unless if realgm trade checker is inaccurate. According to the trade checker the deal is find cap-wise for the Jazz and Warriors, but not very close at all for the Lakers...interesting...
I dont think the Warriors would accept that. Both Fisher and Murphy are better than either of the players we get back IMO and we would have a logjam at C and SF.
I'd do it depending on other offers made. I want the most value for a player like Murphy or Fish, but if Murphy/Fish goes that means Ike, Taft, Ellis or Biedrins gets promoted. I think that will improve our defense and quickness quite a bit. We remove two big contracts we're always arguing over on various levels (how they change offensive flow, their abilities in various offensive settings, their roles, their positions). We get two short contracts including an athletic small forward that was on the Lakers championship team 3 times and we get Chris Mihm who I think is a decent, young center that can block shots and score near the bucket. Big men always get better and they hit their primes right around 28 or 29. This move also doesn't affect Pietrus' status as starter since George would really be just filler or 3rd or 2nd string SF. We at least gain some legitmacy as center with Chris Mihm without the laughable Foyle as starter. He gets paid twice as much as Mihm. Our rebounding might have to come from different positions if Ike isn't a big rebounder or Biedrins can't stay out of foul trouble, but hopefully Mihm and George and others can be productive. I mean it's not like Murphy was singlehandedly controlling the boards or helping others get to the ball anyway. The whole team had to rebound together by getting on the glass (which means they can't run out in transition). Getting rid of Murphy and Fish also serves a big purpose. We can stop with this bullsh small lineup of Murphy at center, DFish at shooting guard that Montgomery favors. Mullin wouldn't have to worry about lengthy contracts and Montgomery wouldn't feel pressured to play them over rookies. I mean it's the same crap like last time where we have expensive role players sitting on the bench and they have to be played because they're expected to play by the GM who signed them. We'll suck at free throw shooting I bet, but I think the dynamic might be a lot more effective with forward and centers that can score inside. We don't need more threes being launched and we need more activity on the offensive glass. Offensive boards is something I will miss with Murphy when he plays near the basket, but damn our defense just sucks with him and his jab step moves are annoying. Plus he's never in a position to chase after missed shots because he's staying too far from the rim for three point attempts or he's running back on D. Mihm at least is a good offensive rebounder, I believe.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">I dont think the Warriors would accept that. Both Fisher and Murphy are better than either of the players we get back IMO and we would have a logjam at C and SF.</div> Yeah, but a logjam that is not for long. Look at how long those Laker deals are (one or two years long). Plus Mihm is a lot better center than who we've got which bumps Foyle out of the way. Then without Dfish, Ellis gets promoted. Pietrus stays the same. Biedrins and Ike see more action at PF. Contracts don't factor into the 4th quarter lineups anymore. That means no more Dfish at shooting guard, no more Murphy at center. We're trying to develop a longterm team, right? Well if Fish or Murph is not the answer for the next six years and we know this right now, we better start developing a more balanced offensive/defensive team who we feel good about for the next so and so years and stick with them. Ever since 2004 I'm not sold on the improved Murphy. It's just not going to push us over the top because we'd need inside scoring of some kind and most centers do not do that sort of thing. Plus, our interior defense sucks.
I like it because the W's dump over $80 million in contracts! Assume Mihm/AB/Foyle will our centers with Taft moving to PF to backup Ike. What's hard to believe is the Lakers would give up their starting center for Boozer. Could they be using Murphy to get KG? Lakers get KG and Fisher. Minny gets Odom, Murphy and Bynum. Warriors dump $80M+ in contracts, get cap relief and Mihm (the big man Mullin wanted): L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown Outgoing Andrew Bynum 7-0 C from St. Joseph (HS) 2.0 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.2 apg in 7.7 minutes Chris Mihm 7-0 C from Texas 10.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 26.9 minutes Devean George 6-8 SF from Augsburg-MN 7.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 23.2 minutes Lamar Odom 6-10 SF from Rhode Island 14.0 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.3 apg in 39.3 minutes Incoming Kevin Garnett 6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS) 21.6 ppg, 11.9 rpg, 4.3 apg in 39.2 minutes Derek Fisher 6-1 PG from Arkansas-Little Rock 12.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 3.4 apg in 28.6 minutes Change in team outlook: 0.0 ppg, -7.8 rpg, and +0.2 apg. Minnesota Trade Breakdown Outgoing Kevin Garnett 6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS) 21.6 ppg, 11.9 rpg, 4.3 apg in 39.2 minutes Incoming Andrew Bynum 7-0 C from St. Joseph (HS) 2.0 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.2 apg in 7.7 minutes Lamar Odom 6-10 SF from Rhode Island 14.0 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.3 apg in 39.3 minutes Troy Murphy 6-11 PF from Notre Dame 15.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 1.3 apg in 34.7 minutes Change in team outlook: +10.1 ppg, +9.0 rpg, and +2.5 apg. Golden State Trade Breakdown Outgoing Troy Murphy 6-11 PF from Notre Dame 15.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 1.3 apg in 34.7 minutes Derek Fisher 6-1 PG from Arkansas-Little Rock 12.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 3.4 apg in 28.6 minutes Incoming Chris Mihm 7-0 C from Texas 10.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 26.9 minutes Devean George 6-8 SF from Augsburg-MN 7.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 23.2 minutes Change in team outlook: -10.1 ppg, -1.2 rpg, and -2.7 apg. Successful Scenario Due to L.A. Lakers, Minnesota, and Golden State being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. L.A. Lakers, Minnesota, and Golden State had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Gohn:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with CR2's reasoning on why that trade would be beneficial. I'd do the trade if it worked.</div> I just feel we could get more out of Murph and Fish. And I don't like the idea of trading within the same conference, let alone the same division. What if the Lakers benefit more from the trade than the Warriors... The lakers get a double double guy that would be the 2nd or 3rd scoring option and a PG that won 3 rings with them and knows the triangle offense well. I dunno, I wouldn't do it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Gohn:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with CR2's reasoning on why that trade would be beneficial. I'd do the trade if it worked.</div> I feel the other teams would benefit more than us. And they are in the same conference, and one is in the same division. It spells trouble if they improve more than the Warriors. I for one hope it stays a rumour.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jason voorhees:</div><div class="quote_post">I like it because the W's dump over $80 million in contracts! Assume Mihm/AB/Foyle will our centers with Taft moving to PF to backup Ike. What's hard to believe is the Lakers would give up their starting center for Boozer. Could they be using Murphy to get KG? Lakers get KG and Fisher. Minny gets Odom, Murphy and Bynum. Warriors dump $80M+ in contracts, get cap relief and Mihm (the big man Mullin wanted): L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown Outgoing Andrew Bynum 7-0 C from St. Joseph (HS) 2.0 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.2 apg in 7.7 minutes Chris Mihm 7-0 C from Texas 10.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 26.9 minutes Devean George 6-8 SF from Augsburg-MN 7.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 23.2 minutes Lamar Odom 6-10 SF from Rhode Island 14.0 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.3 apg in 39.3 minutes Incoming Kevin Garnett 6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS) 21.6 ppg, 11.9 rpg, 4.3 apg in 39.2 minutes Derek Fisher 6-1 PG from Arkansas-Little Rock 12.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 3.4 apg in 28.6 minutes Change in team outlook: 0.0 ppg, -7.8 rpg, and +0.2 apg. Minnesota Trade Breakdown Outgoing Kevin Garnett 6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS) 21.6 ppg, 11.9 rpg, 4.3 apg in 39.2 minutes Incoming Andrew Bynum 7-0 C from St. Joseph (HS) 2.0 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.2 apg in 7.7 minutes Lamar Odom 6-10 SF from Rhode Island 14.0 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.3 apg in 39.3 minutes Troy Murphy 6-11 PF from Notre Dame 15.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 1.3 apg in 34.7 minutes Change in team outlook: +10.1 ppg, +9.0 rpg, and +2.5 apg. Golden State Trade Breakdown Outgoing Troy Murphy 6-11 PF from Notre Dame 15.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 1.3 apg in 34.7 minutes Derek Fisher 6-1 PG from Arkansas-Little Rock 12.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 3.4 apg in 28.6 minutes Incoming Chris Mihm 7-0 C from Texas 10.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 26.9 minutes Devean George 6-8 SF from Augsburg-MN 7.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 23.2 minutes Change in team outlook: -10.1 ppg, -1.2 rpg, and -2.7 apg. Successful Scenario Due to L.A. Lakers, Minnesota, and Golden State being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. L.A. Lakers, Minnesota, and Golden State had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.</div> Nice work, that would be intresting. Although helping the Lakers get KG makes me a little nauseus. Although it's easier to swallow when I see that we dump a hefty chunk of the payroll. And I like Mihm. I just wonder if we could find a taker for Foyle.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">I feel the other teams would benefit more than us. And they are in the same conference, and one is in the same division. It spells trouble if they improve more than the Warriors. I for one hope it stays a rumour.</div> Yes, that is a little unsettling. But frankly I'm not as worried at how good the Lakers are as much as I am about how bad the Warriors have been. Heck, I'd give the Lakers Shaq back if it meant dumping Foyle and Fisher!
