<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AlleyOop:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes, that is a little unsettling. But frankly I'm not as worried at how good the Lakers are as much as I am about how bad the Warriors have been. Heck, I'd give the Lakers Shaq back if it meant dumping Foyle and Fisher!</div> You mean Foyle and Dunleavy... Fisher's contract doesn't seem as bad when you look at Dunleavy's.
I dunno -- I mean, sure it's bloated, but Dunleavy could still turnout to be *cough* worth his contract value. Hey, it's possible! Fish, on the other hand, is signed long term to a fat wad of $, and what's worse is there's no need for him -- we don't want him as PG (I'd rather play Ellis at backup) and he's to small to play shooting guard. Further, we know what we'll get with him, and what we'll get ain't worth all that dough!!! At least Dunleavy brings something unique to the table and is a good back-up at a few diferent positions. Let me ammend this by saying that I'd love to see Dunleavy get traded too! But Foyle and Fish first, IMO. That may change if Dun-Dun goes back to shooting 25% from the field.
I love Monta, but I don't think he's ready to be a backup PG just yet. And plus, Fisher is probably the most clutch player on our team. On another note, Knicks got Francis for penny and ariza... we could have gave foyle, fish, + whatever for francis lol if he came that cheap to the knicks. Francis would be a decent back up pg haha or good trade bait.
I'm not very excited about getting Carlos Boozer on the Lakers. Mihm has really improved this season, and Devean George has been the only consistent player off the bench for the Lakers. This also forces the Lakers to count on Kwame Brown to play starter minutes at Center ... scary thought. It's a risky move for the Warriors as well. In one sense it frees up minutes to develop Ike and Beans. Plus it unloads Fisher's hefty contract, and Murphy doesn't seem like the long term solution in GS. I think Murphy will be great in Utah though, especially with AK47 coming from the weakside when Murphy is giving up the post position. The cap room also allows the Warriors to retain Pietrus. Just seems like a bad move for all three teams to make this point in the season. All three are still in the playoff hunt, and none of those teams can afford to help another team, while making their current situation worse.
Utah would benefit the most really, it's like they're getting an upgrade without giving anything up. Since Boozer never plays due to his constant injuries.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Mullin said he's looking to add talent and not cut salary and that the Warriors would be willing to pay the luxury tax in future years if it means landing a difference-maker now. So many teams are still in the playoff hunt that there aren't many stars being dangled by teams looking to rebuild. The Warriors' best chance to improve the team likely will be this offseason, not by noon today.</div> http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctime...rs/13941468.htm
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">Utah would benefit the most really, it's like they're getting an upgrade without giving anything up. Since Boozer never plays due to his constant injuries.</div> Agreed. Wouldn't mind Boozer is he had a shorter contract, but it runs almost five freakin' years!!! We'd be screwed until 2010 with Boozer the loozer!!! Player 2005/06 2006/07 2007/08 2008/09 2009/10 Carlos Boozer $11,593,816 $11,593,816 $11,593,816 $11,593,817 $12,657,233 (players option)
Standing Pat????!!!!????!!!! Just checked most of the news and rumor sites and most likely the Warriors won't make a trade. How many on this board are for standing pat -- meaning 2 - 3 years and making little changes? I think Baron will end up choking Monty by then .
Staying pat doesn't mean 2 to 3 years of no moves. This off season Murphy's BYC status goes away which makes him decent value in a trade. Mully should be able to package him this offseason pretty easily now. Unfortunately... not many teams need a guy like Murphy at all.
This is the same team that finished the season strong last year. They just need to get back to running. This season is not over yet. That game against the Kings was a heart breaker, but I think if Baron gets back soon and they open things up, these guys can string together some wins.
Well we sure as hell can't run a lot if we don't execute the break well without Baron. It takes a team for that. Plus we suck at rebounding. Half the time we don't even come up with the rebound or the guards are jogging or not running out where they should be to receive the pass. Then who pushes the ball? We've got out of control Pietrus, Dribble-off-his-foot Jrich, can't-run-a-break-to-save-his-life Derek Fisher... Ellis is more of the same type of guy thus far. Only guys I trust with the ball in the fastbreak are Baron Davis, Mike Dunleavy Jr. But the other guys running with them need to know when to give the ball back or where to be moving so they can split the defenders. We can't be an open court team unless we have some fundamentals and some court awareness. Maybe we could wing it if Baron Davis is at the center of every play but that's relying on one guy to do all the offensive work. And that's if the rebounder can recognize who to give the ball to and before defenses can react in transition.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">Custodian, What made them so successful last season?</div> That's a good question... Was it success or was it fool's gold? Were we facing quality opponents? Well even though the offense relied mainly on just Baron Davis having the ball, the team played with more energy, more confidence with each other. So it's the same team, but we still lived and died by the three. I think the way Baron Davis played at that time, he took less low % shots, passed more, and because of that, Warriors got energy and they made an effort to move a little more and they hit their shots. One of those keys was Dunleavy hitting well from the field and Baron sharing the ball a little more to certain players. Also, Zarko Cabarkapa played a lot more and was a factor in hitting high % shots. I remember that our defense was a lot more horrible than it is now. But we still couldn't do other things as a team unless Baron Davis was involved. This year teams have figured out how to play us and all of our opponents have gotten better than us. They've improved their depth and their team. So I can't really identify what it is exactly about last year and this year. But we don't have as much confidence, limited chemistry, certain guys that were successful last year are struggling, and we stayed the same while others got better in certain areas. We've only improved the point guard spot whereas other teams have added more big players to their roster (it seems). Maybe not true, but maybe guys in our division just got tougher and stronger with age. I don't know what it is, actually, but we're not the same and we still have the same number of predictable weapons on this roster. We would be a better team if we could play some defense, make our shots that we're supposed to make, and move the ball better with players moving to get open so we can take open shots rather than contested shots. If we get a good perimeter game going, then we can attack the basket with a wide open lane. Until Ike or whoever is ready to pound the ball inside, we're stuck with outside jump shooting Murphy and pitiful offensive game Adonal Foyle.
They actually beat a lot of playoff teams last year during their strong run, and Baron shot a similar %. They did run a bit more last season, but I think the biggest difference is that certain spark. Baron was the spark last season, but as things settled down the energy just isn't the same. And Dunleavy made his shots.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">They actually beat a lot of playoff teams last year during their strong run, and Baron shot a similar %. They did run a bit more last season, but I think the biggest difference is that certain spark. Baron was the spark last season, but as things settled down the energy just isn't the same. And Dunleavy made his shots.</div> I think so too. Maybe guys just get tired and they need something that will keep their interest up through fatigue and low spirits mid-way during the season. I think what really happened, was the guys out there wanted to prove something and go out on a high note because they knew they were going to miss the playoffs again. Did Baron shoot quite as much? I thought he really gave up the rock a lot more and that helped certain guys in the scoring column. Mainly it was Pietrus, Dunleavy, and Zarko. I mean those guys are one of the few that bother getting open when there's an opening near the basket. They cut and finish quite a bit. Oh and Zarko was pretty good with that show n' go move and was rocking the 18 footer. I think he made a better point forward than Dunleavy, but since Zarko is not locked up like Dunleavy is, Dun gets more guaranteed playing time as GM Chris Mullin wanted it that way. GM doesn't pay guys to sit on the bench. Anyway, maybe last year was more fun for the players so they played like a team. I mean they didn't have to worry about the win column, understanding plays, playing tough defense, they had to worry about just the game and getting used to each other. They just ran around and focussed soley on offense. It's exciting from a fan's point of view, but teams that don't play D typically don't see the playoffs anyway. And live by the three, die by the three, isn't the way to play especially if the other team is daring us and the team isn't moving to take advantage of Baron Davis double teams. If nobody moves, Baron Davis will get the ball stripped or he's forced to shoot that ugly jumper of his.
I think what made the Warriors good at the end of last season, is what made the Warriors good at the beginning of this season. But to rewind a little bit, I think the Warriors were starting to play pretty well, even before Baron came. But anyway, after the trade the Warriors just went on a good run where they were knocking down all shots and hitting on all cylinders, such as Dunleavy playing phenomoenally along with Pietrus(calling Baron the Boss), Zarko, and I think even Biedrins and Foyle performed well. So one of the reasons for the finish and play of the end of last year can deal with just players turning it up on offense. But to relate it back to what I was trying to get at, comparing the end of last year to the beginning of this year. I think opposing teams didn't always have a good developed game plan against this team, and this helps the Warriors. I think this happened after Baron came, and opposing coaches didn't know how affective he would be, and then since the rest of the players were contributing so well, it was like a thing where if opposing coaches put too much stress on Baron, then there was Jason, Mike, and Mickael who were playing superbly who would then just explode. And if Baron wasn't getting enough attention, then he was producing pretty well. Right now on the contrary, they are not firing on all cylinders, they aren't making their shots, and the opposing teams now have a well developed strategy against the Warriors now. In my judgement, Mike Montgomery and his Warriors just get outplayed by better coached ball clubs, like the Kings the other night, the Pacers, the Lakers, the Grizzlies, and so on. It's something that doesn't show up so much after a big trade like for Baron Davis, or at the beginning of seasons. But even of late, when there was changes just because of injury, there was better play. I don't really ever see the Warriors playing better because of the coach, and I think that is a problem. Also the Warriors didn't have to worry about playing in a system because of the other teams' uncertainty on how to guard the Warriors after the trade. I think the Warriors have kind of given up on that system now, as well, but it hasn't really made that positive affect, since well, the Warriors are much more predictable now, than they were at the end of last season. And when this happens, it usually becomes the team that has practice and perfected their strategies and matchups and systems that usually come out on top.
Heres a break down of his stats from last years to this year Last season: 40.1% FG, 75% FT, Shot 34% from 3pt, and had 8.3 assists Averaging 19.5 pts This season he's shooting: 39.1% FG, 67.9% FT, 30.9% from 3pt, and has 9.2 assists Averaging 18.7 pts His shooting has suffered a little bit, but not by much. He actually shot MORE three's last season (7.8 attempts) than this season (6.2 attempts). He averages more assists this season. And he shot 75% from the line last season. It's hard to see a big change in his game. It just seems the rest of the team has lost their energy. I agree that the Warriors are predictable, they are very easy to shut down.
I like Clif's argument that most competitors didn't know what to expect from the Warriors last half season, but now they are ready for us strategy wise. Also yeah, certain guys aren't stepping it up like anticipated. AnimeFanatic, we've lost a few games just by not making the shots we're supposed to make or hit our free throws (also shots we're supposd to make). I agree that the Warriors a lot more predictable if they don't devise some way to improve the big man talent on the glass, spacing on the floor, and scoring in the paint. Not much we can do if we're all perimeter players that like to play one-on-one and can't set screens or get offensive boards like the Sonics did last year. Oh and the sonics could hit their damn free throws too so they didn't have to worry about defense as much so long as they shot high% everything and got 2nd chance points off misses.
Guys, help me decide if this article should be combined with this thread or another thread. http://www.justbball.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50803 Anyway, Mullin talks about the trade deadline: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file...SPGUJHCU351.DTL Frankly, if we kept the separate thread we could discuss just the article. This thread we can talk about trades in general or what-if type deals.
