Final Looks in Store for Warrick, Granger

Wassup Shape I think Webster is lights out with that J of his and he has some room to develop but I think his weight is going to slow him down when he tries to guard the other 2's and 3's of the league he has no lateral quickness. I think Webster's game is too simple, he relies on shooting the lights out every game he doesn't cut or move well without the ball, and he doesn't seem to be aggressive enough to use his body to post up or attack the basket. I think Webster will be a great offensive spark off the bench and that's the career I see him playing. I might be wrong because the kid is still 18 and could develop everything he needs to become a superstar but I just don't see it.

 

I still see Diogu as a great fit-and Mully recently mentioned low post offense,D, A solid,NBA ready player-then Ike Hakim,Granger get called backk for last minute workouts. Finally the Jordan Classic was on the tube today. Blatche looked VERY good,Bynum is less skillfull but his size+good hustle is interesting. I"ve wanted to cook up a swap for a pick in the area of #12-#17 with Dunleavy the main bait. What picks-players fill out such a trade is variable. with #9-Ike Diogu,and with the mid-teens pick-Blatche. Ike is ready for NBA duty now. Blatche is closer than many think,handles the ball well,adjusts fast to situations,does not appear to feel he's too special to play D and rebound. were we to pull that off,RD 2 emphasis would be backcourt depth.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting HinrichGotHeart:</div><div class="quote_post">Wassup Shape I think Webster is lights out with that J of his and he has some room to develop but I think his weight is going to slow him down when he tries to guard the other 2's and 3's of the league he has no lateral quickness. I think Webster's game is too simple, he relies on shooting the lights out every game he doesn't cut or move well without the ball, and he doesn't seem to be aggressive enough to use his body to post up or attack the basket. I think Webster will be a great offensive spark off the bench and that's the career I see him playing. I might be wrong because the kid is still 18 and could develop everything he needs to become a superstar but I just don't see it.</div>

That is what I see too,Kind of a J Mashburn,a pure shooter who has some muscle,athletic ability but relies on his outside J and has not polished other skills. Green,with less bulk,seems to put a higher value on rbds,penetration,passing,which is why he figures to go earlier and be a good 2g . Webster can be a good SF,he's a bit bulky for 2g,he could not keep up with J Rich,Kobe,several others.

Webster,like Marvin Williams,is a guy who's muscle,or "NBA body" is irrelevant if it is not used. Warrick is questioned as "skinny" but he is tough,solid.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting wtwalker77:</div><div class="quote_post">
As for Webster, I like him a lot. I think he's the highschooler least likely to fail. It's just that the Warriors don't have any room for him at sg/sf. My guess is he replaces the shooting Orlando lost when they traded Mobley.</div>

What a nice looking shot that kid has. I'd pick him as insurance for Dunleavy. He's undersized but he is very strong and rebounds well. I doubt he slips. Portland hyped him up so much someone will take him before us.

 

2005-2006

C: Foyle (5 yr left, 4 yr with option) / Andris Biedrins (3 yrs left)
PF: Troy Murphy (6 yrs left)
SF: Dunleavy (1 year left) / Zarko Cabarkapa (2 yr left)
SG: Jason Richardson (6 yrs left) / Pietrus (2 yr left)
PG: Baron Davis (4 yrs left) / Derek Fisher (5 yrs left)

If the draft pick is Hakim Warrick, it might compliment Zarko at the SF spot where Zarko can play SF on offense and pass from the high post. Warrick can play inside a la Antwan Jamison and hopefully be counted on when it comes to playing defense against small forwards and some power forwards.

It's kind of a lame way to draft though... I'd rather have Ike Diogu or some badly needed enforcer in the middle like a motivated Erick Dampier. If there's nobody at power forward I hope Mullin will do what he did last season which was go for the best available player with the most upside. I think Mullin was a proponent of that draft philosophy.

 

As draft day nears,there is a sense Granger goes to Toronto,Frye to the knicks and so Diogu and Warrick are on the table-and are guys the W's took a second look at. Toronto or the Knicks might get a late urge to take Bynum,which woul get another guy on the table. Some mocks still say Valdez-but he does not match what parameters Mully and Higgins spoke of.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">2005-2006

C: Foyle (5 yr left, 4 yr with option) / Andris Biedrins (3 yrs left)
PF: Troy Murphy (6 yrs left)
SF: Dunleavy (1 year left) / Zarko Cabarkapa (2 yr left)
SG: Jason Richardson (6 yrs left) / Pietrus (2 yr left)
PG: Baron Davis (4 yrs left) / Derek Fisher (5 yrs left)

If the draft pick is Hakim Warrick, it might compliment Zarko at the SF spot where Zarko can play SF on offense and pass from the high post. Warrick can play inside a la Antwan Jamison and hopefully be counted on when it comes to playing defense against small forwards and some power forwards.

It's kind of a lame way to draft though... I'd rather have Ike Diogu or some badly needed enforcer in the middle like a motivated Erick Dampier. If there's nobody at power forward I hope Mullin will do what he did last season which was go for the best available player with the most upside. I think Mullin was a proponent of that draft philosophy.</div>

The more I think about it, the more Diogu reminds me of Scoreless Williamson. I'm starting to think that Warrick might actually be the guy for us at #9. I wonder if there's a way we can package one of the 2nd rounders and our 1st to move up, now that the roster has been expanded, to get Granger... I think he's the Warriors ideal player.

 

General body types aren't a real good clue,which is why Tyson Chandler and Loren Woods are not the same. Williamson never had Diogu's skills,was not close. Ike led the pac 10 in scoring,boards and blocks,Corliss was never near a 20pt average,was never a top defensive player,He was a good player on a good team Ike scored almost 10 pt a game more than R Felton,deron Williams or Marvin Williams...and those guys weren't getting double teamed. Ya' gotta see a guy like this play. Everyone gets hung up on images of someone else,or on assumptions based on the "prototype" SF or PF. Hell.Chris Mullin was no prototype...but a real good player.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CohanHater:</div><div class="quote_post">The more I think about it, the more Diogu reminds me of Scoreless Williamson. I'm starting to think that Warrick might actually be the guy for us at #9. I wonder if there's a way we can package one of the 2nd rounders and our 1st to move up, now that the roster has been expanded, to get Granger... I think he's the Warriors ideal player.</div>
I disagree on Diogu being like Corliss Williamson but he very well could be in scoring. I think Ike Diogu is probably more like Zach Randolph, but more energetic and a better defender, especially in shotblocking. Diogu's got a very high basketball IQ, but like everyone else, I'm very unsure of how his college game translates to the pros. I'd imagine he'd give us post presence and rebounding similar to at least what Mike Sweetney gives to the Knicks or Al Jefferson is showing for the Celtics, except that Diogu could carry some of his pac-10 leading shotblock skill to the pro game with his 7'3 wingspan. Those forwards went lower, but they would be nice players to have that can be capable of putting up double digit figures in at least two categories and protect the paint. Very few players play like that in the league and can block shots or create their own shots. Diogu can actually create his own shot, has some power game, and he knows where to be much like Mike Dunleavy Jr.

 

I said Williamson, more because of reputation and frame going into the draft than actual skills. He actually reminds me of what Oliver Miller could've been if he were fit. I'm not sure that translates very well to the pros though, especially a team run by Baron Davis.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CohanHater:</div><div class="quote_post">I said Williamson, more because of reputation and frame going into the draft than actual skills. He actually reminds me of what Oliver Miller could've been if he were fit. I'm not sure that translates very well to the pros though, especially a team run by Baron Davis.</div> Williamson was an all right player. He did win sixth man of the year. I don't think Baron minds playing with any type of player so long as they play with enthusiasm, unselfish play, confidence and desire to win. I think Ike Diogu fits the bill tremendously and think of how well Diogu can do after proving he is a good inside scorer, free throw shooter, rebounder, shotblocker, and smart team player along with Baron Davis. He is capable of running the floor and he does play with energy. Of course, we could go for the risky high schooler or euro like Bynum, Blatche, or Martynas Andriskevicus, but I think part of the reason their stock is so high because of the little information about them and the little scrutiny over their games like in college. Also the fact GM's imagine that their game will be much harder to match in the future because of what their body type shows. I tend to agree with drafting the risky player who has a physical skill set that's hard to match, but I think Diogu is a sure thing and he's no stiff like previous Warrior big men. He won't be a disappointment I think.

I think if we were to go risky, I'd want the uber hyped up Andrew Bynum because lord knows when we'll need that true center that can outmuscle post players and occupy the lane and provide intimidation. Foyle just doesn't intimidate nor does he get into people's heads and flex his muscles like Ben Wallace.

 

True.. I Guess if we're drafting for the guy that can come in and help be a solid backup now that fills the Malik Rose type role, then Diogu is the guy. If we want to draft a guy that has the potential to be something special in 2 years yet can still give you a solid 10-15 minutes a night but will make plenty of rookie mistakes, then take Warrick or make a push for Granger.

 

Hey, the draft is today right???

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CohanHater:</div><div class="quote_post">True.. I Guess if we're drafting for the guy that can come in and help be a solid backup now that fills the Malik Rose type role, then Diogu is the guy. If we want to draft a guy that has the potential to be something special in 2 years yet can still give you a solid 10-15 minutes a night but will make plenty of rookie mistakes, then take Warrick or make a push for Granger.</div>

Maybe I'm just mis-judging Diogu altogether... am I way off-base?

 

Malik was a solid player at Drexel,,posted big RBD stats several years,decent scorer. Ike D played Pac 10 and ouscores every MAJOR college guy in this draft. Ike D is a bit bigger with more skills,equal intensity. He is very stron,especially if playing at 255-260,but this season played closer to 245,which gave him more quickness. At 240-245 I think he'd have enough mobility for some SF duties,but at 255,he could only play SF in a few matchups. His wingspan/reach is good,will let him play as big as the typical 6-9.6-10 forwards,and his intenity and desire is always a plus and also makes me pretty sure he works hard to improve.

Vasquez recently worked out and it did underline the expectations I had that his game is too limited to be a top 15 pick. Bynum is huge,and teams are interested. I think Blatche is going to be a real nice surprise,going higher than expected-then turning into a solid pro sooner than expected. Granger I also like a lot,love his ability to do so many things well. Warrick does not do as many things well but he has a special skill,his quick drive to the rim. I saw Diogu,Warrick and Granger all have great games,showing some pro-ready talent. About that time,also got a look at Taft,who really showed me nothing. Looking at the Stats for the season,what I saw of Diogu/Granger/Warrick reflected what they tend to do best,though I likely saw each have one of his better games. Taft's game was,sad for him.also pretty typical.

The W's see Granger,Diogu,Warrick as players who are both talented and reliable. Each has the ability to be pretty good soon and steadily get better. None seem apt to regress. With the team looking to some sucess next year,they want that kind of boost

 

Hawks: After weeks of saying they would take Marvin Williams if Andrew Bogut wasn't on the board at No. 2, the Hawks' front office is having second thoughts.
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The team doesn't have a strong need for Williams and wasn't particularly blown away with his workout and visit last week. However, the staff loved both Chris Paul and Deron Williams.

Sources say that the front office and coaching staff are split between Paul, Deron Williams and Marvin Williams at this point.</div>

This could shake everything up... I can't wait for tomorrow!

 

Anyone know how the workouts went yesterday?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting iLL PiLL:</div><div class="quote_post">Hey, the draft is today right???</div> Tuesday starting at 4 on ESPN.

I'm feeling like the Warriors are going to go for Hakim Warrick and pass up on Ike Diogu, but I could be wrong. Warrick did mention to the press that he was promised to go #9, but that seemed like b.s. because not only is that really high for him and aside from what we truly need, he's also a college senior. He ain't dropping out of the draft, so why make a guarantee and tie your hands behind your back with guys that could slip like Danny Granger? Or why not select a high schooler that some team below us covets?

Ideally, I hope Mullin makes a trade to get us more talent than just #9 in the first round and that he's like St. Jean and gets us the most upside. 2003 was a good draft considering the most pressing need was point guard and Luke Ridnour was projected to be a John Stockton / Pete Maravich type player. Instead, we got Pietrus who appears to be a super-sub or a decent starting 2 guard/forward.