Finding Neil a backup SG/SF

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  1. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Find where I criticized Olshey in a July thread when he signed Ed Davis, Aminu, etc. after losing Aldridge, because I said we needed to sign a star dribbling, scoring small forward, to balance the scoring with Lillard. Everyone said I was wrong because Olshey would fix it soon. 2 1/2 years later, we still have no roster balance on offense.
     
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    As I'm seeing Hezonja being mentioned a lot what have you seen from him that you like? I have followed this guy a lot two years with Barcelona, Croatia national team and his first NBA season. He has even regressed since then. He is not a good player. He was once considered a bit time talent in Europe, but was wildly inconsistent, has no clue what tactic is and he has always been a problematic character. You think these three years riding the bench made him a better player? I was really amazed he cheated some people into picking him 5th while he should be a second round player in best case scenario. We need a good wing player, not the Hezonjas of this world. Better keep Layman then.

    If we just look for a minimum contract player that can shoot the ball just bring back Dorell Wright. He can still play and has been solid in his 5 Euroleague games. Plays in Germany. Better than "Super Mario".
     
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    Couldn't find that, but I did find this post from that summer where you said replacing Batum with Aminu would make us better because it would end the point-forward nonsense, and we needed to get more shots for Lillard, and didn't need scoring from our forwards.

     
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    I doubt they want a pick. Truth be told, I have no idea what 76ers might want anyway, they seem to have everything to succeed in the future.
     
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    I don't think Denver picks up the phone if we call them.
     
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    Hahaha :D
     
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    Hey they made out like bandits in the Barton/Afflalo deal. Hell, Malik Beasley was who they picked with the #1 they got from us.
     
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    Same with the 'Dre/Felton (or Nolan/Faried) deal! That puts them at a 2:1 advantage on recent trades...seems like they owe us a good turn.
     
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    DeMarre Carroll is just the type of SF we need though.
     
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    Unfortunately we don't know how Lin comes back otherwise I'd easily give our non lottery first for this trade. The Nets cut 6M of salary this way and they have near max cap space in summer while they also get a pick.
     
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    While one of these does target a SF that people have clamored for in the past, the real goal of these two trades is to GET RID OF a SF (or SG, or whatever the hell he's suppose to be):


    Derrick LOLz is MIA (and I don't mean South Beach), Isaiah Thomas is injured, and CLE's defense is in the toilet. PERFECT time to sell them on ball-handling wiz-kid, and all-around extraordinaire, Evan Turner; packaged alongside first-team ALL-NBA DEFENSE Al-farouq "The Wall" Aminu!

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    PHI may finally be ready to revisit their failed lotto pick now that things are on the up-and-up and they've got a new headmaster running the school. They badly want to get Okafor off their roster, but so badly that they will take on some salary?
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    Philadelphia did not just create cap space for a max free agent to just give it all up to get someone who is twenty times worse than their ball handling forward.

    I love the idea of trading for Carroll. Nets could actually do that trade, they are in rebuild mode and getting another draft pick is something they would fancy. They actually took Carroll as a salary dump with TWO Raptors picks, if they can get another one they will be fine with it. They could actually even take some of our contracts as they won't be players in free agency for a while anyway. If we offered them a pick plus Turner and Harkless for Carroll and someone to match salaries (Trevor Booker?), they would IMO consider it. Turner plus first round pick for Carroll could also work. Harkless plus pick too and it makes more sense with New York connection. They could end up getting THREE first round picks plus Harkless for just agreeing to take Carroll from Toronto for half a year.
     
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    My ideal trade would be:
    Turner, Leonard, 2020 1st Round Pick
    For
    Carroll, Booker.
    Booker is expiring, and not really needed. We could maybe flip him for something, or he could make Davis expendable (I've suggested trying to get BOS 1st round pick this year for Davis, as they have an $8M injury exception from Hayward, and they can use that to trade for an expiring contract. Davis is perfect for them, as their biggest need is a PF off the bench).
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    So if BKN doesn't like the above trade, maybe you do
    BKN Gets: Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard, BOS 2018 1st, POR 2020 1st
    BOS Gets: Ed Davis
    POR Gets: Trevor Booker, DeMarre Carroll.
    Meyers might actually be useful to BKN, as they may view him as somebody they could help turn around his career. They're thin in the frontcourt and would lack shooting with the likes of Turner and Hollis-Jefferson on the wings. Booker replaces Davis, Carroll replaces Turner, which likely makes us better, and we save money while only giving up a 1st. BKN gets 3 picks for the initial salary dump from TOR to BKN involving Carroll.

    Either way, POR saves $14M this summer, and $28M next summer.

    We could also be in position to have cap space for free agency next summer. As it would stand, we'd have about -$6M in cap space with ET and MyLe gone, Carroll on our roster, and counting Vonleh's and Napier's cap holds. However, by trading one of Harkless/Carroll (which both would hypothetically have enough value to get rid of for free), we could have $4M-$8M. Trade both and we could have apx. $18M in cap space.

    So we could either keep Caroll and Harkless and have a filled out, improved roster and likely be able to resign Nurk without going far above the tax line, or we could trade both of those guys and we could go into free agency with $18M in space and a roster of:

    Lillard
    McCollum
    Nurkic (Cap Hold)
    Aminu
    Vonleh (Cap Hold)
    Napier (Cap Hold)
    Collins
    Swanigan
    Layman

    You could save $6M by renouncing Napier and trading Layman, which gets our cap space to $24M. If we somehow landed somebody for that amount, we could make those moves to clear the space.
    However, we'd have $18M to fill only a couple spots, as that above group fills out our roster for the most part.

    Lillard / Napier
    McCollum / ?
    Aminu / ? / Layman
    Vonleh / Swanigan
    Nurkic / Collins

    So here's a few hypothetical scenarios if we cleared cap space:
    -We sign Avery Bradley to be our backup guard for $24M a year for 3 years w/ a play option. (We trade Layman and renounce Shabazz)
    -We make use of our $18M as well as Cap Space Exception (apx. $5.5M) with a combination of signings of Redick, O'Quinn, Booker, Ed Davis, Mirotic, Barton, Joseph, T.Young, T.Evans, A.Johnson, Temple, etc.

    We could also package our 2018 or 2020 pick (whichever we kept) and try to turn Harkless/Carroll into a starting SF such as Gallinari, Crowder, etc.

    Basically, we need to create flexibility heading into this off-season, and a trade with BKN would do the trick.




     

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