FIRE CRONIN

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  1. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    @hoopsjock @BonesJones you guys brought up a great point that I hadn't even thought about because I was already so angry.....

    WHY MAKE THIS TRADE SIX DAYS BEFORE THE DEADLINE?!??!?!?!?!?!!??!?!?!!!?!
     
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    it’s like the opposite of Morey, got to hope this wasn’t a premature deal where if he had held off we would have gotten a better deal. Crossing my fingers there’s a better deal in the works
     
  3. illmatic99

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    quite a few of us already made that point
     
  4. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I'm so annoyed that I'm only half paying attention to the thread lol
     
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    If this move helped the Clippers a ton because the other 28 teams were drooling over Norm and Cov, they wouldn't be laughing at us, they'd be pissed we didn't take their significantly better offer.
     
  6. Natebishop3

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    I mean, we don't know that there was other offers because maybe Cronin just took the first offer like an idiot?
     
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    Obviously we would have drafted Martell Webster.
     
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    Cronin may be worse than Olshey. Just like Billups may be worse than Stotts. Time will tell on both.

    What there is zero doubt about is Olshey put values on players than the rest of the league has balked at. He saw Cov as worth two 1st round picks. Clearly we couldn't get one for him 1.5 seasons later. He saw Collins as worth two 1st round picks. The rest of the league saw him as worth part of the MLE, unprotected. Crabbe, Festus, Turner, Trent/Powell, Meyers, Whiteside, Bazemore... the list goes on and on.

    He made enough of these bad moves and collected so many negative assets and now the next guy has to keep the bad asset until it's gone or get worse talent in return to wipe the slate clean sooner.

    PS - Want to just send me my mouse pad now?
     
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    You mean before they saw Martell? If they weren't going to take Martell it makes no sense to trade down.
     
  10. Tince

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    Certainly possible. Though for that to be true we'd have to assume:
    1. No team has called Portland in 3 months
    2. Cronin has a motive, in his one and only audition, to take a deal he felt was bad to insure he never gets a GM job in the future.
    If we can come up with a likely explination for both those things to be true, I'd consider your theory. At this point, neither seem probable at all.
     
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    Tons of teams were linked to RoCo and most reports said that Norm had great value all around the league. I guarantee you that there are a lot of pissed off execs out there right now not so much because they lost out on two role playing starters but for sure they're pissed that we just made the Clippers a lot better this year and for years to come for pennies on the dollar. At the same time they're probably having a pretty good laugh because a bunch of them know that they would have given us twice the value we got for just one of the two guys.

    As far as an exchange of value goes this trade is so incredibly terrible that if you're not a Blazers fan it's definitely hilarious. We'll see if Cronin makes some other deal or deals that make the team better and somehow make this deal make sense but no matter what Joe does it will never negate the fact that he gave away a lot of value today for very little in return.
     
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    I haven't heard any negative reaction about Billups, today. My guess is that Billups input was partly the reason for this baloney.
     
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    Why not wait until closer to the deadline? This makes no sense. This trade was horrible. Beyond horrible.
     
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    Linked and reported with the sources being who? Their agents?

    Please explain to my why you think Cronin and his team would be actively turning down significantly better deals, that meets the path ownership is willing to go down, in his 4-8 month audition? What would his motivation be?
     
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    If this was the best on the table, you wait until closer to the trade deadline. There's basically a week left. This was straight up stupid.
     
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    Doing nothing would have been much better than what he did, from a basketball perspective.
     
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    Blazer Twitter in meltdown mode.

    Fans are planning to attend games just to heckle Cronin.

    Blazer Reddit - many aren’t planning to re-up their season tickets.

    Dark days are upon Blazer faithful.
     
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    Having not been in the negotiations, there could be a couple reasons:
    1. The Clippers offer was shockingly way better than any other one they were getting and there was a time limit to the offer being valid
    2. The Blazers are planning to use Bledsoe in a deal that is already lined up, so doing the move now removes the risk of the 2nd deal falling through.
    Again, I don't get to hear all the offers Portland is getting like some here. I don't love the move. But come on, people need to realize we have so many players the league see as a negative asset. I thought you wanted change?
     
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    It's reasonable to think that the head coach gave the OK on the trade but at the same time he may not have liked the trade at all and just got overruled because Cronin is the acting GM and that's a position above the head coach and Vulcan probably liked it because we'll reset the repeater tax clock. The idea that we would ever see a negative reaction by a team guy like Chauncey even if he hated the trade is ludicrous. Chauncey is going to talk about the things he's excited about obviously.
     
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    i'm trying to understand the mental gymnastics it took to convince dame that this was a good move.
     
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