<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Frank has done a good job with poorly constructed teams.</p> Fire the front office.</p> </div></p> I concur. Thry to win it all with Collins and Malik friggin' Allen as your starters!</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Frank and Thorn are part time lovers.</p> </div></p> thank you for your meaningful contribution to this thread.</p> </p>
Fire Frank...</p> Why? because he doesnt develop young players, he doesn't set a rotation, and his game planning seems suspect.</p> To elaborate on the reality that he doesnt develop young players the facts are that Nenad Kristic only got to were he was pre injury because after we traded Kmart and later Alonzo Mourning, Erik Williams and Aaron Williams to the Raptors we were left with Collins, Nenad and I think Jabari Smith. Due to the fact we had nobody Frank finally gave the kid minutes...and he then he proved to be the best big man on the roster. Personally I feel that if we hadn't traded all those guys Nenad would've never developed. Similar to Antione Wright who has looked good in every summer league but has never been given CONSISTENT playing time. Suddenly he's showing development when given real minutes.</p> Here's the dilema...if we retain Frank does it hurt the chances that Marcus, Josh Boone, and Sean Williams reach there full potential or even Nenad regain his form if Frank stays consistent with his pattern of giving these young developing players inconsistent minutes? I think it does...fire frank.</p> Also one of the reasons I personally think we've struggled is that we don't have chemistry on the court due to the inconsistent rotations and Frank's inability to match players to there strengths...ie Collins on court vs athletic big men...just doesnt work.</p>
Deck chairs. Titanic. Deck chairs. Titanic. Deck chairs. Titanic.</p> The scary thing about Thornski is that they're still probably better than half the GMs in the league. It makes no sense to fire them if we're just going to hire Kevin McHale.</p> I say we try and trade Kidd to the Raptors for Calderon and Brian Colangelo.</p>
Jamaal was an all star caliber player. He has somehow lost all of his post offense, so that comparison is now invalid. Still a better rebounder than Collins.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Some Nets fans are depressed, the reason is not that this team is not the elite team, they are even not the mediocre team, we can say they are the worst team in the NBA, not emotionally to say about this.</p> How the hell is 8-9 a very bad record? We are not the worst team in the NBA. You just love to overreact. They never been elite, they are an average regular season that have the potential to make noise in the playoffs.</p> Even Sixers or Blazers have the better consistent offensive game than the Nets.</p> Sixers and Blazers are not known for being defensive minded teams. Sixers are one of the more up tempo teams in the league. And the Nets are better offensively than the Blazers.</p> Can you name the other teams which have 2 or 3 All-Star players, but they always struggle with the offensive game and could be down by 20 easily every night.</p> Knicks and Bulls. And the reasons we struggle on the offensive end is because these guys are not playing up to par along with bad rotations from Frank.</p> Somebody said Lawrence Frank is okay, it's hard to coach a team with a crappy roster. But You have Kidd, Carter, Jefferson, Magloire, at least four all-star caliber players. Sean Williams the top rookie of the strong draftin 2007, Do you really believe thatit's all FRONT OFFICE's fault, or players' fault?</p> The Nets only have two allstars- Kidd and Carter. Jefferson is a borderline allstar while Magloire has never been an allstar talent. And it is a combination of everyone when looking who is at fault- Frank for confusing coaching schemes, management for assemblying a poorly built team, and the players that are not playing at the level they are expected to play at.</p> OK, you say the players play like a crap, but why don't you say the midget coach can not lead them mentally? In my opinion, Lawrence Frank is not a coach that would make your confidence bigger ! He only makes your confidence to be lower and lower. That's why our bench players are very very inconsistent. Let's see Magloire who is very very depressing on the bench !</p> The coach never dogged them, yet as soon as they wanted to play and promised to help, they played like crap. Magloire was all high and mighty, saying how he was in shape and a piece that can help. Thus far, he has played like crap on offense and affected our play negatively when he was on the court. Frank punishes him by not playing him since he is hurting us more than helping. If a player wants to play, he must show it to the coach. Magloire's lack of enthusiasm and terrible play is not showing Frank anything positive. And being a in your face coach does not always help, sometimes it may lower the player's confidence even more. It all depends on the player. Yelling at Nachbar wont change a thing. He has been getting great open looks but he is not making them. Plus, we have seen no evidence of the players hating Frank. They like him. How many times do you hear the players complain about him?</p> A good coach could make their players out of their mind, but Frank does it contrarily. His decision making and rotation making are really terrible, and terrible.</p> I honestly dont 100% understand what you are trying to say in the first sentence. Can you reword it please? As i said before, i agree, some of his rotations have been confusing and bad.</p> In fact, I am giving up on this team now, this team can not even pass the 1st round in the playoffs.</p> Bye bye then, go ahead and quit on the Nets. But as a fan of this team, I will stick with them through the good and bad times. </p> But if you are like jizzy, you'll say the exact opposite after a win.</p> All I could say is that this is very regrettable for the Nets in the history, the Nets finally have 2 great players like Kidd, and Carter, but the front office and coach kill them, oh, including the fans that defends for the coach.</p> Way to slide a personal attack against those who dont agree with you.</p> </div></p> </p> Bolded</p> Also just to add because i want to avoid double posting: check out the second post in the thread called free ariza on the lakers board. Even the greatest of coaches can make confusing moves in fans' eyes.Now, now, im not comparing Frank to Jackson, but rather im pointing out that even if we got a better coach, many of you would still find something to complain about. </p> </div></p> 1. I have said about this for many times, 8-9 is not a really factor, please check what I said in the other thread just recently.</p> 2. You mean we are known as a good defensive team so we are lack of offense? Give me a break. We are not good in the both end.</p> 3. Ben Wallace was an all-star, but Hinrinch ? Gordon ? Luol Deng? Marbury isthe only one who wasall-star on the Knicks.</p> Are you a NBA fan? I don't think you realize NBA.</p> 4. Jefferson is averaging 25 points a game and is the top 4 scorer in the NBA. Magloire could contribute, you give him six straight DNP , how can he show his All-star talent? OK, You might say he showed he sucked, but how can you not keep giving him the minutes to show ? It's a long season, not playoff series. Just like Carter, he was playing badly at the begin of the season, but he's showing he is great right now.</p> 5. Excuse me, Magloire already showed very much that he wants to help this team, and he doesn't complain that he gets the DNP ! Frank just started him for 2 games without Carter, and when Magloire played against the Heat, he showed he is a solid down-low defender. Why not to try play him with the big three and Sean Williams? Then he got 6 straight or more DNPs, is this a good coach? He is not a good coach, he likes to bench and kill the young players' confidence. If Magloire really plays badly, but when we are going to the playoffs, sorry, if you only play Malik Allen and Jason Collins as your main power, this team has no hope, at least, Magloire is the toughest guy between them.</p> 6. I mean Frank can not encourage the players, and always makes them disturbed. Just look at Boone, Marcus, and Magloire.</p> 7.You don't need to say Bye Bye to me, it's none of your business. Go reading your comic books, little brother.</p> 8. That's not a personal attack. It's the truth, you are harming this team by your stupid suggestion and logic.</p> If you are right, this team should be good, not just as bad as knicks.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>7.You don't need to say Bye Bye to me, it's none of your business</div></p> Then why did you mention that you were leaving???</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'> 7.You don't need to say Bye Bye to me, it's none of your business</div></p> Then why did you mention that you were leaving???</p> </div></p> </p> Giving up on them, I mean I don't think they are going to be a good team, and I don't want to care them that much.</p> Before I didn't agree with John Hollinger, right now, he is the one that predicts the best. Only 39 wins this season.</p> But I don't say I am not going to be a Nets fan. Please.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Some Nets fans are depressed, the reason is not that this team is not the elite team, they are even not the mediocre team, we can say they are the worst team in the NBA, not emotionally to say about this.</p> How the hell is 8-9 a very bad record? We are not the worst team in the NBA. You just love to overreact. They never been elite, they are an average regular season that have the potential to make noise in the playoffs.</p> Even Sixers or Blazers have the better consistent offensive game than the Nets.</p> Sixers and Blazers are not known for being defensive minded teams. Sixers are one of the more up tempo teams in the league. And the Nets are better offensively than the Blazers.</p> Can you name the other teams which have 2 or 3 All-Star players, but they always struggle with the offensive game and could be down by 20 easily every night.</p> Knicks and Bulls. And the reasons we struggle on the offensive end is because these guys are not playing up to par along with bad rotations from Frank.</p> Somebody said Lawrence Frank is okay, it's hard to coach a team with a crappy roster. But You have Kidd, Carter, Jefferson, Magloire, at least four all-star caliber players. Sean Williams the top rookie of the strong draftin 2007, Do you really believe thatit's all FRONT OFFICE's fault, or players' fault?</p> The Nets only have two allstars- Kidd and Carter. Jefferson is a borderline allstar while Magloire has never been an allstar talent. And it is a combination of everyone when looking who is at fault- Frank for confusing coaching schemes, management for assemblying a poorly built team, and the players that are not playing at the level they are expected to play at.</p> OK, you say the players play like a crap, but why don't you say the midget coach can not lead them mentally? In my opinion, Lawrence Frank is not a coach that would make your confidence bigger ! He only makes your confidence to be lower and lower. That's why our bench players are very very inconsistent. Let's see Magloire who is very very depressing on the bench !</p> The coach never dogged them, yet as soon as they wanted to play and promised to help, they played like crap. Magloire was all high and mighty, saying how he was in shape and a piece that can help. Thus far, he has played like crap on offense and affected our play negatively when he was on the court. Frank punishes him by not playing him since he is hurting us more than helping. If a player wants to play, he must show it to the coach. Magloire's lack of enthusiasm and terrible play is not showing Frank anything positive. And being a in your face coach does not always help, sometimes it may lower the player's confidence even more. It all depends on the player. Yelling at Nachbar wont change a thing. He has been getting great open looks but he is not making them. Plus, we have seen no evidence of the players hating Frank. They like him. How many times do you hear the players complain about him?</p> A good coach could make their players out of their mind, but Frank does it contrarily. His decision making and rotation making are really terrible, and terrible.</p> I honestly dont 100% understand what you are trying to say in the first sentence. Can you reword it please? As i said before, i agree, some of his rotations have been confusing and bad.</p> In fact, I am giving up on this team now, this team can not even pass the 1st round in the playoffs.</p> Bye bye then, go ahead and quit on the Nets. But as a fan of this team, I will stick with them through the good and bad times. </p> But if you are like jizzy, you'll say the exact opposite after a win.</p> All I could say is that this is very regrettable for the Nets in the history, the Nets finally have 2 great players like Kidd, and Carter, but the front office and coach kill them, oh, including the fans that defends for the coach.</p> Way to slide a personal attack against those who dont agree with you.</p> </div></p> </p> Bolded</p> Also just to add because i want to avoid double posting: check out the second post in the thread called free ariza on the lakers board. Even the greatest of coaches can make confusing moves in fans' eyes.Now, now, im not comparing Frank to Jackson, but rather im pointing out that even if we got a better coach, many of you would still find something to complain about. </p> </div></p> 1. I have said about this for many times, 8-9 is not a really factor, please check what I said in the other thread just recently.</p> 2. You mean we are known as a good defensive team so we are lack of offense? Give me a break. We are not good in the both end.</p> 3. Ben Wallace was an all-star, but Hinrinch ? Gordon ? Luol Deng? Marbury isthe only one who wasall-star on the Knicks.</p> Are you a NBA fan? I don't think you realize NBA.</p> 4. Jefferson is averaging 25 points a game and is the top 4 scorer in the NBA. Magloire could contribute, you give him six straight DNP , how can he show his All-star talent? OK, You might say he showed he sucked, but how can you not keep giving him the minutes to show ? It's a long season, not playoff series. Just like Carter, he was playing badly at the begin of the season, but he's showing he is great right now.</p> 5. Excuse me, Magloire already showed very much that he wants to help this team, and he doesn't complain that he gets the DNP ! Frank just started him for 2 games without Carter, and when Magloire played against the Heat, he showed he is a solid down-low defender. Why not to try play him with the big three and Sean Williams? Then he got 6 straight or more DNPs, is this a good coach? He is not a good coach, he likes to bench and kill the young players' confidence. If Magloire really plays badly, but when we are going to the playoffs, sorry, if you only play Malik Allen and Jason Collins as your main power, this team has no hope, at least, Magloire is the toughest guy between them.</p> 6. I mean Frank can not encourage the players, and always makes them disturbed. Just look at Boone, Marcus, and Magloire.</p> 7.You don't need to say Bye Bye to me, it's none of your business. Go reading your comic books, little brother.</p> 8. That's not a personal attack. It's the truth, you are harming this team by your stupid suggestion and logic.</p> If you are right, this team should be good, not just as bad as knicks.</p> </div></p> </p> 1. What did you say in the other thread? You said in this post that they are below being mediocre. I find that ridiculous. You were just overreacting.</p> 2. You compared our offense to the sixers, when in reality the Sixers offense actually runs smoothly, and they are known as a offensive-minded team. I didnt say the Nets were a good defensive team.</p> 3. On the Bulls Ben is an allstar, Gordan is a borderline allstar(wasnt he selected last year?), as is Luol Deng(not selected but he is borderline, at least last year). The Knicks have two allstar calibur players(Marbury and Randolph) plus a center who is dominant in the paint(Curry). You must not have much NBA knowledge if you think Randolph isnt an allstar talent. And to whoever said Magloire was an allstar talent and had a good post game-wrong. He was never an allstar TALENT. He was selected but he wasnt an allstar calibur player. his post game was average and it deterioted over the years.</p> 4. Jefferson is a borderline allstar. Remember how he played when Carter was gone? His production and decision-making got worse. His stats are nice but he isnt a true allstar talent. He might get selected though, but he isnt truly on the same level as allstar level wings(Pierce, LeBron, Melo, Marion, McGrady, Allen, etc). I already explained Magloire in point #3, and as stated before in many threads, he should get playing time over Malik Allen.</p> 5. I never said he complained, but instead i said that he showed very little in the playing time he got, including the starts. When he played, he hurt the team more than he helped. Your idea of playing the big 3, Sean, and Magloire is actually bad. Replace Collins with Magloire and then you have a lineup that uses Collins most effectively, plus you would then have an enforcer come off the bench in Magloire, and a jumpshooting big man in Krstic, giving a good 1-2 bench to pick up the bench production. And as I said again and again, Magloire should be getting Malik's minutes and Frank's rotations have been bad.</p> 6. You mind actually proving that instead of making baseless accusations. When have Boone, Marcus, or Magloire complained about Frank making them feel down. Marcus is freaking injured right now and Boone is getting minutes because he EARNED them. Magloire's minutes were gone because he played like crap. The 6 DNP's are a message to magloire-get the freaking act together or else no minutes. However, even though I agree is sending the right message, Allen has been playing worse and thus he should be the one in the doghouse, not Magloire.</p> 7. I cant say bye to someone who says they give up on this team? Please. I can say what I want. If you dont want a "bye", then dont give up on the team through the rough times and look at the team and its players realistically.</p> 8. The stupidity in your comment is amazing. Again, its possible to have a different opinion. Care to explain how the hell me talking on a message board harms the team? And I have said in another thread that this team should rebuild. PS: When did I ever say they were as bad as the Knicks? The Knicks are so crappy, toilet seats sprout legs and run away.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I vote Dumpy for Nets coach.</p> </div></p> Co-sign</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I am in the otherside ,I will reply you at home.</p> Haha, what a flawed reply to me.</p> </div></p> You are my favorite poster. lol</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I am in the otherside ,I will reply you at home.</p> Haha, what a flawed reply to me.</p> </div></p> You are my favorite poster. lol</p> </p> </div></p> </p> Hum, it's not my pleasure.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I am in the otherside ,I will reply you at home.</p> Haha, what a flawed reply to me.</p> </div></p> You are my favorite poster. lol</p> </p> </div></p> </p> Hum, it's not my pleasure.</p> </div></p> </p> No it's mine. </p> BTW, they are mangas, not comics. :x</p>
[quote name='L']</p> [quote name='jarkid']</p> [quote name='L']</p> [quote name='jarkid']</p> I am in the otherside ,I will reply you at home.</p> Haha, what a flawed reply to me.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> You are my favorite poster. lol</p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> Hum, it's not my pleasure.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> No it's mine. </p> BTW, they are mangas, not comics. :x</p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> You are a homeboy. Otaku.</p>
[quote name='jarkid']</p> [quote name='L']</p> [quote name='jarkid']</p> [quote name='L']</p> [quote name='jarkid']</p> I am in the otherside ,I will reply you at home.</p> Haha, what a flawed reply to me.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> You are my favorite poster. lol</p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> Hum, it's not my pleasure.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> No it's mine. </p> BTW, they are mangas, not comics. :x</p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> You are a homeboy. Otaku.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> Thank you,buuuuuuuuut, you lost me at otaku(what that's mean?). lol</p> </p>
