Fire Stotts Eventually

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by BonesJones, Dec 20, 2016.

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How good do you think Terry Stotts is a s a coach?

  1. Top 5

    9 vote(s)
    5.8%
  2. Top 10

    44 vote(s)
    28.6%
  3. Top 20

    35 vote(s)
    22.7%
  4. Needs to go!

    51 vote(s)
    33.1%
  5. He's the very best!

    2 vote(s)
    1.3%
  6. Lets hope he continues to improve.

    13 vote(s)
    8.4%
  1. AmirIcon

    AmirIcon Well-Known Member

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    Projection much?
     
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    Tince Well-Known Member

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    "You're bonkers", "Insufferable" "Leave your info below in case any NBA franchises want to hire you."
     
  3. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Holy shit this is ridiculous. I brought up their 29th ranked defense (BASED ON DRTG) , and you responded with:

    "If you have a stat where Portland is 29th in league that also has a strong correlation to wins, please provide it."

    Now you're saying I'm the one not accepting data? Lmfao.

    Other than that, are you seriously saying "if ball movement matters, why dont teams make as many possible"? That's one of the most disingenuous things you've ever said. You're ridiculous. I'm out.
     
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    AmirIcon Well-Known Member

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    Now I understand why you've been blocked by so many members here. I will do the same.
     
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  5. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

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    I am biased towards the Blazers, I've said that many times. You are also bias, but just refuse to admit it.
     
  6. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

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    How many members have blocked me? Same number of people who voted for Olshey for executive of the year?
     
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    Tince Well-Known Member

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    Correlation 101: There is a difference between strong correlation, correlation, weak correlation, no correlation, negative correlation. Defensive rating does NOT have a strong correlation. It does have a correlation though. Higher than assists, lower than offensive rating and many other measures.

    Probably a good time for you to waive the white flag anyway. I will not call you ridiculous or question your basketball resume after a take I think is wrong; not my style.
     
  8. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Basketball 101: You need to take it:biglaugh:
     
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    I had to put him on ignore. Finally. I've burned too much time on people gaslighting and making bad faith arguments.
     
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  10. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Yup. There are a couple people in here who make legitimate basketball arguments as to why they like Stotts and I respect it and can have a conversation with them. Tince, not so much.
     
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    You should tell those people they have your respect and admiration. It would be off brand, but a great change pace, and certainly the highlight of their day. I have zero dislike for you even when we disagree, for the record.
     
  12. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    I have zero dislike for you personally. The way you argue on the other hand...
     
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    I respect that, I can get under peoples skin when trying to make a point.

    I just wanted to make sure you knew it wasn't personal; I even admire the time you put into your craft even if I think what you're saying is often very flawed. You've challenged the way I think many times, I hope you continue to do so!
     
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    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

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    Call me a liar and it takes me two fucking seconds to bring it up.

    Hoops you used to actually be a decent poster here.
    Sorry... You lose again.
     
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    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

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    Here is the story we were reading when it happened.
    Like i said. This move was talked about.
    Multiple posters posted about the move.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...rkgren-head-coach-toronto-raptors/5992524002/
     
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    What in the world are you trying to say? You posted that there were tons of discussions about him prior to being hired. You posted a story of him being hired.

    What in the fuck KJ?
     
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    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry Hoops. This whole thing is outta line.
    I didn't mean to try to do anything but converse with you.
    I'm gonna let this go because it ain't going anywhere.

    You are right. Nobody knew anything about anyone being hired and most of all STOTTS SUCKS!
    I can live with your opinion.
    Have a good night.
     
  18. wizenheimer

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    there is a very strong correlation between NBA champions and defensive rating. I listed the last 20 champions in a post a while back, and IIRC, 18 of 20 were in the top-10 in defensive rating, and one of the teams that wasn't ranked 11th; and the other was 20 years ago. I believe about half, or more, of the 18 teams in the top-10 were actually in the top-5

    I would imagine there's likely be an equivalent correlation of offensive rating, I haven't checked it

    maybe the real correlation is that elite teams are almost always great on both ends of the floor
     
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    100% believe what you're saying as the data I've seen says there is a correlation. Curious what you mean by strong correlation though. Did you take a rank range (top 10, top 5) and match it against champions? Look at all the champions defensive rating and find the mean/median? Would love to see how that spreads out to finals teams, conference finals teams, playoff teams, etc.

    I'll have to find the most recent data set I saw, but it did have a stronger (not strong) correlation to offensive rating and wins (not championships) than defensive rating did. The weighted combination true shooting percentage, rebound rate, turnover rate, and free throw rate seem to give you by far the highest correlation.
     
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    Wait a minute... did this shit just become about who is worse at their job... Olshey or Stotts? Why the fuck does it matter? They have both been doing it for what will be a decade if they don't get fired this off season and haven't gotten us anywhere. Olshey goes first and then the knew GM will fire Stotts. This isn't rocket science. Both guys do some things well. Both guys are respected around the league. But both guys get the blame for not having got it done for damn near a decade. That's it.

    What I'm seeing is... "Stotts is less mediocre" "No Olshey is less mediocre" Who the fuck cares? They are both mediocre and our franchise should try and get better. We might not get better but we have to try. If you consistently come in right in the middle of the pack for nine years, you have to change it up. If either guy wanted to save their job they should have had the other fired sooner.

    Unless we make a run better than we have in the past, which means being competitive in the conference finals... both guys have got to go.
     

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