Fire Stotts Eventually

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by BonesJones, Dec 20, 2016.

?

How good do you think Terry Stotts is a s a coach?

  1. Top 5

    9 vote(s)
    5.8%
  2. Top 10

    44 vote(s)
    28.6%
  3. Top 20

    35 vote(s)
    22.7%
  4. Needs to go!

    51 vote(s)
    33.1%
  5. He's the very best!

    2 vote(s)
    1.3%
  6. Lets hope he continues to improve.

    13 vote(s)
    8.4%
  1. kjironman1

    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2014
    Messages:
    21,478
    Likes Received:
    22,170
    Trophy Points:
    113
    [​IMG]
     
    BigGameDamian and riverman like this.
  2. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

    Joined:
    May 7, 2015
    Messages:
    44,536
    Likes Received:
    38,601
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Vancouver, WA
    Stotts said it himself: He ran more plays and the sets he ran were more movement based instead of depending solely on pick n roll. There was a lot of possessions with really good movement, and some where they attacked a mismatch in the post. He had "poor defenders" executing simple defensive concepts. Even when we had to scramble, we did a much better job of it.

    The whole point is that he's not incapable due to injuries, that this roster isnt incapable of having good defensive games, and that altering the offensive gameplan towards movement is for the better.
     
  3. riverman

    riverman Writing Team

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2013
    Messages:
    67,842
    Likes Received:
    66,598
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Our bottom of the bench has one thing going...these guys practice together often..they have some chemistry.....when you take one of them and put them with the starters the chemistry isn't the same...they will defer to Dame and CJ all the time....together...they know their spots with the second or third unit
     
    UKRAINEFAN and Propagandist like this.
  4. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    15,259
    Likes Received:
    14,715
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This is a great use of data and I'm not surprised the numbers were similar.

    Had Philly made their open 3's, we shot 25% from behind the line, and we lost; we'd be talking about the same "issues" some people have with the offense. We hit our 3's, Philly did not, and we were fantastic on offensive rebounds. It was fun!
     
    THE HCP likes this.
  5. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

    Joined:
    May 7, 2015
    Messages:
    44,536
    Likes Received:
    38,601
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Vancouver, WA
    Thing is, Philly missed a lot of threes because we contested them much better than usual. We also did a better job of running them off of the 3pt line. Pretty simple.

    Nothing about this is results-based, it's process based. Stop trying to apply hypothetical results to what people "would" say.
     
    Natebishop3, AmirIcon and Tince like this.
  6. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    15,259
    Likes Received:
    14,715
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You could be right... What are the numbers on % of contested attempts given up last night compared to our average?
     
  7. James lamphear

    James lamphear Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2018
    Messages:
    7,881
    Likes Received:
    5,559
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Dame is playing tomorrow let's see if we see the same movement. Not knocking Dame but it seems he going to play one way and will Stotts hold him if there know movement accountable.
     
  8. blazerkor

    blazerkor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2014
    Messages:
    15,628
    Likes Received:
    16,771
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No offense to Lamar but I think that job might be a good one for him or an in studio analyst.
     
  9. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    15,259
    Likes Received:
    14,715
    Trophy Points:
    113
    In studio analyst maybe. He's not the smoothest of talkers. Lamar is already ahead in that department.
     
    blazerkor likes this.
  10. JDC

    JDC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2008
    Messages:
    3,425
    Likes Received:
    3,246
    Trophy Points:
    113
    NBA's hustle stats had 85.2% (23/27) as contested vs 64.2% on the season. Watched the attempts back too and Elleby definitely stood out. His closes were great.

    On the other hand, the tracking data had the Sixers 1/11 on 3's classified as wide open (4-6 feet from closest defender).
     
    UKRAINEFAN and Tince like this.
  11. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    15,259
    Likes Received:
    14,715
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I like the data. 20% increase is significant!

    I'm a little confused how 85% of the 3's are contested but you're also saying 11 out of the 27 3's were considered "wide open".
     
  12. JDC

    JDC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2008
    Messages:
    3,425
    Likes Received:
    3,246
    Trophy Points:
    113
    From what I've heard, the tracking data for the closest defender stuff is taken from the mid point of the defenders body at the release of the shot.

    So if it's a long closeout situation a wide open 3 is still considered contested.
     
    Tince likes this.
  13. kjironman1

    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2014
    Messages:
    21,478
    Likes Received:
    22,170
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Wow?
    Stats....
    How about was there a defender? Yes there was a defender. Did he make the shot. He didn't make the shot. Could he have made the shot? Yes he could have made the shot. The shot didn't fall.
    We're back to who made their shots and who didn't.
     
  14. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    57,589
    Likes Received:
    56,020
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    NYstateofmind
    Portland fired Terry!


     
  15. OneSport3

    OneSport3 The Knowledge Hoarder

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2009
    Messages:
    3,287
    Likes Received:
    5,696
    Trophy Points:
    113
    According to Basketball Reference, there have been a total of 336 head coaches in NBA history.

    53 of 336 (15.8%) have had at least 10 seasons as a head coach (Stotts: 13 seasons, 9 with POR). Of those 53,
    • Stotts ranks 38th in career regular season win % at 51.2%
    • Stotts ranks 49th in career playoff win % at 34.4%. Only coaches below him are Mike Fratello (32.3%), Nate McMillan (32.1%), Kevin Loughery (22.2%) and Don Chaney (18.2%).
    21 0f 336 (6.3%) have had a coaching tenure for 9 consecutive seasons with one team. (Stotts 9 with POR). Of those 21,
    • Stotts ranks 20th in regular season win % at 51.2%. Only Bill Fitch has a lower career regular season win % at 46.0%. However, Fitch has a career playoff win % at 50.5% and a NBA championship.
    • Stotts ranks 21st in playoff win % at 34.4%. Ranked 20th is Doug Moe at 39.8%, a full 5.4 percentage points higher than Stotts.
    15 of the 21 (71.4%) head coaches with a coaching tenure of 9 consecutive seasons with one team have NBA championships. The coaches that don't have a NBA championship,
    • Jerry Sloan: 60.3% career regular season win %, 48.5% career playoff win %, 2 NBA Finals appearances
    • Don Nelson: 55.7% career regular season win %, 45.2% career playoff win %, 4 career Conference Finals game wins.
    • Flip Saunders: 52.5 % career regular season win %, 48.0% career playoff win %, 8 career Conference Finals game wins
    • John MacLeod: 51.8% career regular season win %, 46.5% career playoff win %, 1 NBA Finals appearance
    • Doug Moe: 54.3 % career regular season win %, 39.8% career playoff win %, 4 career Conference Finals game wins.
    Only 1 coach of 336 in NBA history that has at least 10 seasons as a head coach with a tenure of 9 consecutive seasons with one team and has ZERO Conference Finals games wins: Terry Stotts.

    CONCLUSION
    : There is no justification for Stotts' 9 season tenure in Portland. Historically, he is a bottom tier coach. Only 6.3% of coaches in NBA history have been afforded a 9 consecutive season tenure with one team. Of those, 71% have an NBA championship, 81% have at least an NBA Finals appearance and 95% have at least 4 career Conference Finals game wins. Terry Stotts has none of those.

    It's time to move on.
     
    Last edited: Feb 5, 2021
  16. TBpup

    TBpup Writing Team

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2013
    Messages:
    22,577
    Likes Received:
    34,439
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Investment Management / Financial Planner
    Location:
    Lake Oswego
    Almost a decade wasted. The Mark Helfrich of the NBA, although not even quite that successful as at least Helfich took Kelly's roster to success. Nice guy, good coordinator, extremely unproductive at the levels one wants to get to.
     
    Natebishop3 likes this.
  17. Strenuus

    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2013
    Messages:
    50,064
    Likes Received:
    35,337
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Omg please someone rebuttle all these facts.

    This is as plain as day he's a mediocre coach.

    Also proves that longevity with a team doesn't mean success.
     
  18. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    69,977
    Likes Received:
    57,959
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    N.E.P.
  19. OneSport3

    OneSport3 The Knowledge Hoarder

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2009
    Messages:
    3,287
    Likes Received:
    5,696
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Facts
     
  20. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    69,977
    Likes Received:
    57,959
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    N.E.P.
    Yes they are. And they belong in one of the other EIGHT fucking threads about this dude.
     
    Tince and blazerkor like this.

Share This Page