First S2 NBA GM Draft Discussion Thread

I'm saying Shelden can't carry Bynum's jock and Foye needs the ball to be effective. Poor choices to put with Kobe

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'>The way I see it, the youth I've put around Kobe is established talent (The rookie, Yi, has not played yet, but his skill set is known), and not potential guys like Sean Williams, Saer Scene, Cedric Simmons, et al. The veteran post player is also a ring holder. I like the way it shapes up.</div>

With Kobe and Rasheed, you have two guys who are ready to lead you to the playoffs and a title run. The rest of your starting roster isnt ready for that. I would have surrounded Kobe and Rasheed around vets who have proven they can give you what you need. </p>

As for Yi's skill set being proven, that is fine and all but he has no NBA experience. I wouldnt be counting on a guy who barely had a play run for him on Guangdong to hold down the SF position.</p>

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'>The way I see it, the youth I've put around Kobe is established talent (The rookie, Yi, has not played yet, but his skill set is known), and not potential guys like Sean Williams, Saer Scene, Cedric Simmons, et al. The veteran post player is also a ring holder. I like the way it shapes up.</div>

Rasheed Wallace ~= Lamar Odom</p>

The rest of your team is way, way young, just like the real Lakers. So there's no reason to believe Kobe wouldn't demand a trade from your team. Seriously, it's eerily similar to the real Lakers. </p></div>

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Moser, Joyce. Watters, Ann. "The Art and Craft of Persuasion." Creating America: Reading and Writing Arguments. English class all over your grill haha.</p>

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So you're saying my group of young talent is the same as what the lakers have? Saying all young players are alike is what the above paragraph mentions: lazy thinking. Look at the actual players you're trying to analyze instead of making broad generalizations. </p> </div>

Come on now bud. Shelden Williams plays for the Hawks. Randy Foye plays for the TWolves. Neither of those players have ever sniffed the playoffs. And anyone who watches basketball will tell you that Yi is a project. So right now, you've got 4 NBA ready players, no real center and a point guard who needs the ball in his hands to do damage. How is that going to work with Kobe's ball-dominating offense? Sheed is great, but he hasn't been a good second option on offense since Portland. You're going to have trouble scoring, and you're going to have trouble defending. Why wouldn't Kobe demand a trade? </p>

 

I don't see how Foye works with Kobe. He was a good value pick at this stage, but he just doesn't fit with Kobe imho.

 

You guys are making it seem like a score-oriented PG is totally incapable of passing the ball. Hyperbolies on the other end of the spectrum, "Ason Kidd," are also fictional. </p>

Kobe has no help, thats why he wants out. He's got a **** load more talent on this team. If the one-man kobe show can make it to the first round in the west, a much better lineup will get him farther. He wouldn't want out of that.</p>

Also Ly, you're using a "Straw Man" logical fallacy. The teams that the players were on previously have no bearing on this draft since we're drafting the individual. Last year the timberwolves sucked with Garnett on them. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that KG is still a good player. </p>

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>I'm saying Shelden can't carry Bynum's jock</div></p>

You honestly believe that? Bynum is going to be a player one day; not now.</p>

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Andrew Bynum (19 years old)= 7.8 PPG (59.3 TS%) 5.9 RPG 1.1 APG 1.6 BPG</p>

Shelden Williams (23 years old)= 5.5 PPG (51.8 TS%) 5.4 RPG 0.5 APG 0.5 BPG</p>

Williams is 6'9" 250, and Bynum is 7'0", 285 pounds.</p>

 

I would take Bynum over Shelden Williams everytime, however that does not warrant either's selection and I wouldnt pick them even in this round.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TucsonClip)</div><div class='quotemain'>I would take Bynum over Shelden Williams everytime, however that does not warrant either's selection and I wouldnt pick them even in this round.</div>

Given where Brad Miller (9.0 PPG [50.8 TS%] 6.4 RPG) and Darko Milicic (8.0 PPG [49.2 TS%] 5.5 RPG) in addition to players like Yi Jianlian and Shelden Williams selected around or before him, that Bynum went right where he belonged. </p>

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TucsonClip)</div><div class='quotemain'>I would take Bynum over Shelden Williams everytime, however that does not warrant either's selection and I wouldnt pick them even in this round.</div>

Given where Brad Miller (9.0 PPG [50.8 TS%] 6.4 RPG) and Darko Milicic (8.0 PPG [49.2 TS%] 5.5 RPG) in addition to players like Yi Jianlian and Shelden Williams selected around or before him, that Bynum went right where he belonged. </p>

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Ill take Brad Miller and other players who were still on the board and some that are on the board now over Bynum. </p>

However if you are building for the future then things change.</p>

 

Nice team clip.

 

Yeah I gotta admit, I like the look of Tuscon and ZAE's teams. They'll be a great opponent to lose to in the finals!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng)</div><div class='quotemain'>

There is a player on the board I was considering taking with my second round pick.</p>

I've got three guys in mind for my next pick, so I'm praying one is still available, cause I got a round+ to go. </p></div>

</p> i think i know exactly who that is. and if he's available, i'm gonna pick him.

 

Bynum is trash.</p>

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Thoughts on my starting lineup?</p>

Delonte West</p>

Charlie Bell</p>

Carmelo</p>

Charlie V (Dr. Smooth)</p>

Yao</p>

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Andrew Bynum (19 years old)= 7.8 PPG (59.3 TS%) 5.9 RPG 1.1 APG 1.6 BPG</p>

Shelden Williams (23 years old)= 5.5 PPG (51.8 TS%) 5.4 RPG 0.5 APG 0.5 BPG</p>

Williams is 6'9" 250, and Bynum is 7'0", 285 pounds. </p></div>

</p> i'm not sure how to take the comparison of these stats, since there is no MPG. you should include minutes per game, because if shelden is giving those numbers in half the time bynum is, then that makes shelden look pretty damn good.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Bynum is trash.</p>

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Thoughts on my starting lineup?</p>

Delonte West</p>

Charlie Bell</p>

Carmelo</p>

Charlie V (Dr. Smooth)</p>

Yao </p></div>

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i like everyone but yao and charlie V. not sayin they're bad players, i just don't like them.</p>

i think it'll be interesting to see yao and carmelo alongside bell and villanueva.</p>

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Andrew Bynum (19 years old)= 7.8 PPG (59.3 TS%) 5.9 RPG 1.1 APG 1.6 BPG</p>

Shelden Williams (23 years old)= 5.5 PPG (51.8 TS%) 5.4 RPG 0.5 APG 0.5 BPG</p>

Williams is 6'9" 250, and Bynum is 7'0", 285 pounds. </p></div>

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i'm not sure how to take the comparison of these stats, since there is no MPG. you should include minutes per game, because if shelden is giving those numbers in half the time bynum is, then that makes shelden look pretty damn good.</div></p>

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I'm pretty sure Bynum played 21 MPG, Shelden 18 MPG.</p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng)</div><div class='quotemain'>

There is a player on the board I was considering taking with my second round pick.</p>

I've got three guys in mind for my next pick, so I'm praying one is still available, cause I got a round+ to go. </p></div>

</p>i think i know exactly who that is. and if he's available, i'm gonna pick him.</div>

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I'm confused. You both already have centers, so why the focus on J_s_n C_ll_ns at this juncture?</p>

 

Between me and Beef</p>

You Trade: 123, 178, 243</p>I Trade: 137, 164, 230

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Between me and Beef</p>

You Trade: 123, 178, 243</p>I Trade: 137, 164, 230

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Confirmed via PM</p>

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