FIRST TRADE IDEA OF THE NEW SEASON!

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Rastapopoulos, Oct 5, 2022.

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Would you trade Anfernee and Sharpe and x picks for Shai Gilgeous Alexander?

  1. Yes, for any x<3

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  2. Yes if x=1 and is protected

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  3. Yes for Simons and Sharpe with NO picks (or maybe a second or two)

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  4. No

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  1. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    I have no interest in Zach, part 2. Enough with the injury prone big men who never learn to stop fouling. Zach's averaging 7 fouls per36 this year, when he's not hurt that is...yikes!

    rather have Eubanks at 1.8M than Zach at 7.5M
     
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  2. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Imagine trying to get rid of the guy who's been our best and most consistent bench player all season...
     
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    blazerkor Well-Known Member

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    No one was talking about Justise.
     
  4. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Nor was I

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  5. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    Blazer team rankings for rotation players:

    Offensive Rating:

    Drew Eubanks 138
    Damian Lillard 123
    Trendon Watford 122
    Jerami Grant 121
    Josh Hart 118
    Anfernee Simons 116
    Jusuf Nurkić 115
    Nassir Little 111
    Shaedon Sharpe 107
    Justise Winslow 106

    Defensive Rating:

    Jusuf Nurkić 110
    Josh Hart 112
    Drew Eubanks
    Trendon Watford 113
    Justise Winslow 114
    Nassir Little 115
    Jerami Grant 116
    Damian Lillard 117
    Shaedon Sharpe 117
    Anfernee Simons 117

    PER:

    Damian Lillard 25.0
    Jusuf Nurkić 18.6
    Jerami Grant 18.3
    Anfernee Simons 17.2
    Drew Eubanks 17.0
    Josh Hart 12.8
    Trendon Watford 12.6
    Nassir Little 11.1
    Shaedon Sharpe 10.4
    Justise Winslow 10.0

    TS%:

    Drew Eubanks .752
    Trendon Watford .651
    Damian Lillard .645
    Jerami Grant .618
    Jusuf Nurkić .597
    Anfernee Simons .590
    Nassir Little .579
    Josh Hart .563
    Shaedon Sharpe .547
    Justise Winslow .470

    FTRate:

    Trendon Watford .475
    Drew Eubanks .412
    Jerami Grant .410
    Jusuf Nurkić .409
    Damian Lillard .406
    Josh Hart .311
    Nassir Little .231
    Anfernee Simons .176
    Justise Winslow .158
    Shaedon Sharpe .130

    Rebound Rate:

    Jusuf Nurkić 19.9
    Josh Hart 13.6
    Drew Eubanks 13.1
    Trendon Watford 12.8
    Justise Winslow 10.8
    Nassir Little 8.9
    Shaedon Sharpe 7.5
    Damian Lillard 6.6
    Jerami Grant 6.5
    Anfernee Simons 4.8

    Assist Rate:

    Damian Lillard 34.7
    Anfernee Simons 20.2
    Justise Winslow 18.3
    Josh Hart 15.8
    Jusuf Nurkić 15.4
    Trendon Watford 13.1
    Jerami Grant 11.9
    Nassir Little 8.0
    Drew Eubanks 7.0
    Shaedon Sharpe 3.6

    Block Rate:

    Drew Eubanks 5.1
    Jusuf Nurkić 2.8
    Jerami Grant 2.1
    Justise Winslow 1.2
    Trendon Watford 0.8
    Nassir Little 0.8
    Shaedon Sharpe 0.8
    Damian Lillard 0.6
    Anfernee Simons 0.6
    Josh Hart 0.3

    winshares/48:

    Damian Lillard .201
    Drew Eubanks .169
    Jerami Grant .140
    Jusuf Nurkić .135
    Trendon Watford .113
    Anfernee Simons .109
    Josh Hart .109
    Nassir Little .065
    Justise Winslow .054
    Shaedon Sharpe .042

    Defensive BPM:

    Drew Eubanks 1.5
    Josh Hart 1.3
    Trendon Watford 0.7
    Justise Winslow 0.7
    Jusuf Nurkić 0.6
    Nassir Little -0.3
    Jerami Grant -0.9
    Damian Lillard -1.3
    Shaedon Sharpe -1.7
    Anfernee Simons -1.8

    BoxPM:

    Damian Lillard 6.1
    Jerami Grant 1.9
    Drew Eubanks 1.4
    Anfernee Simons 0.8
    Jusuf Nurkić 0.7
    Josh Hart
    Trendon Watford -0.8
    Nassir Little -1.2
    Justise Winslow -2.2
    Shaedon Sharpe -3.9

    a lot to unpack. Starting with the reality that some of these stats are more team stats or rotation stats. The two ratings stats are definitely team stats more than individual. And obviously, there's going to be some noise and skew when comparing a player who plays over 30 minutes to one who plays less than 20. And of course rotations will have a big impact on these numbers. For instance, if a player is on the floor a lot with Hart & Winslow his offensive numbers will probably suffer. And yeah, there needs to be allowances for starter vs bench because it's probable the opposition will be less against bench players

    as for Eubanks vs Winslow, going by those rankings Eubanks looks like the 2nd most valuable Blazers while Winslow looks like a dud. I think we know neither is true. Winslow's contributions aren't easily measured by stats and of course he acts as Portland's backup PG. And while he's not a lockdown defender, he's solid and versatile. Meanwhile, Eubanks looks statistically better than he really is because he's very high efficiency and very low usage. And he's only averaging 17 minutes (Winslow 28)

    * Hart has his flaws and so does Grant. But I have to wonder if they actually do a great job of covering each other's weaknesses. For instance, Grant (as was known coming in) is a lousy rebounder and a so-so defender, but a very good scorer. But Hart being the NBA leader in rebounding for 6'5 and under makes up for Grant's lack of rebounding. And Hart is a good and versatile defender. Portland is not an elite rebounding team, but they are 11th on offensive rebounding & 15th in defensive rebounding....while also being a an undersized team. Hart is a big reason why

    sorry...got going on this

    anyway, as for Eubanks, to summarize, he's 1st in OffRating; 2nd in def rating; 5th in PER; 1st in TS%; 2nd in FTRate; 3rd in rebound rate; 1st in block rate; 2nd in winshares/48; 1st in DBPM; and 3rd in BPM. All that while essentially being on a minimum contract. That seems like a lot to just discard, especially for a rerun of an injury-prone big who has a salary 4 times higher
     
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    Why trade a guy who's productive, on a reasonable contract, and playing for his home team? For Nerlans? No thanks.
     
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    All three of those guys are intriguing depending on salary and trade value.
     
  8. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    patrick williams would be an interesting target also.
     
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  9. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    I personally have zero intrigue in Ross or Harris
     
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    Fairly-Hard Former Member Gone New!

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    Doesn’t matter much to me if he’s playing 20 or 30 mins. At this point the sample size is big enough to see what you have offensively and defensively.
    Those talking about getting rid of Eubanks are obviously missing the mark. He does things that don’t show up in those stats as well.
     
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  11. wizenheimer

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    it's fine to want to upgrade a bench player

    but Noel at 9.2M or Zach at 7.4M are not upgrades
     
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    Fairly-Hard Former Member Gone New!

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    I can agree with that for sure. He is in no way untouchable.
     
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    I’d love Patrick Williams, but not sure why the Bulls would get rid of him now. Still young, really athletic, and solid or good shooting splits as of right now.
     
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    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    Eubanks is the team's only Enforcer. Watching him play in person leaves me with the impression he dont take shit from any opponent. He swats HARD. Not a misprint; swats. when going for a block he goes for broke. I dont think he would hesitate ever to stand up for a fellow blazer. Zach does share some of those attributes too ImHo but too pricey and injury prone. I dont know how his shooting has been from 3 since being a spur.
     
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    Looking at where Watford is on those lists, kind of impressive for a undrafted 2nd year player.
     
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    If Eubanks is considered an enforcer, then I would think Nurk, Hart, and Winslow are as well.
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    the love for Eubanks is understandable, but he's no Przybilla. Still have a feeling he would get completely shut out in the playoffs leaving us with Winslow at C as our only backup option.
     
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    andalusian Season - Restarted

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    It is clear that Watford is a smart player. Like any newb you some times see that he gets lost, which is to be expected for young players. But experience will help with that, but experience does not make dumb players smart, so the team has done well to sign and groom him.
     
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    We definitely need more, nobody is arguing that.
     
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    Fairly-Hard Former Member Gone New!

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    I can understand this feeling. I can see the point.
    My only response and granted it’s only eye test.
    You simply cannot shut out energy and motor.
    That dude brings a motor that doesn’t stop.
     
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