For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered)

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  1. PapaG

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    Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

    I paid for my own schooling by working and I am finally down to $600 in additional loans 12 years after graduating with a BS. I had an ACT score that would make this girl cry, yet I didn't go to a Pac-10 school until my post-graduate studies. I'm all about opportunity, but when it is solely based on race, I can't feel pity for this young woman who is getting her sob story told to the masses by the media.

    I officially don't have a job a week from now because of the corruption in this nation by our "leaders", and I have kids, so I say boo-freaking-hoo.
     
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    Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

    Borrowing=working?

    There is no evidence provided that her admission was based on race. It could be that she wrote a hell of an essay, or that the dean of admissions thought she was hot for him, or any number of things.

    Sorry to hear that. What's the link between your job loss and corruption, if you don't mind my asking?

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    Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

    that would make her a great mom. student? Not everyone is cut out for the working world. She obviously is not handling her shit, she took someone's place that could excel at that fine institution. for what...because some admissions officer thought she was qualified for some weird, abstract reason?

    probably not even that. likely saw her race on her application and let her in. don't see anything in the article to suggest otherwise.
     
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    Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

    She's a native of another country. How is it a "punishment" to send her home?
     
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    Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

    There's a difference between being legal and illegal.
     
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    Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

    You lose me here. If this girl managed to do school while having multiple outside responsibilties, I would argue she is more cut for the working world then someone who could fully concentrate on school and got better grades. I think you have made hiring decisions, how much do grades mean to you when hiring?

    What is funny is the different way we read the article. You read:

    "UCLA officials acknowledge that some freshmen are admitted for reasons other than their grades and test scores, that some students come from dramatically different backgrounds than many of their peers but show academic promise."

    As meaning she was accepted because of her race. I read that as she was accepted becuase of the struggles she had to deal with while attending school and the factshe still made it through school shows she has determination and acedemic promise.

    Doesn't matter, the fact is UCLA is a fine institution and they have decided they are not going to have a cookie cutter acceptance progaram that breaks everyone down by grades and test scores. I think that is great . . . and that is real life.
     
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    Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

    Whether or not she's capable of doing the work doesn't matter. She's an illegal alien. I'm certain if she gained entrance into UCLA, she could do the same in one of her home country's finest universities.

    And most people who apply to a college can do the work, it's just that in the interest of "diversity" they've lowered the bar for some. As a result, there's some asian teenager ready to blow his or her brains out because a 4.3 and a 99th+ percentile on the SAT's wasn't good enough to become a Bruin because they have enough people that look like that.
     
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    Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

    More cut for the working world? No, more cut out for being a stay-at-home mom. She seems great at balancing the nuances for being a stay at home mom. However, she seems to struggle at school, she can't figure out how to activate her campus email account, and she spends most of her day on a bus.

     
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    Schools should be cut-throat, not feel good. Emphasis needs to be on "success" rather than "sunshine". Especially at one of the top public institutions in the country. To me, it seems like this girl was decidedly AVERAGE as an applicant. Who knows what kind of student could have taken her place and actually thrived instead of blaming her failures on her Wienerschnitzel job or 80 mile bus commute.
     
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    I found the campus email part amazing, as well.
     
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    Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

    Man we see the world different . . . thank god UCLA didn't pigeon hole her as no more than a stay-at-home mom. I'm guessing 20 years ago taht would have been her fate. But not in today's world.

    The fact she spends most of her day on the bus and hasn't been raised with the technology of even being familiar with email and manages to pass a UCLA test . . . that girl's got potential.

    Any employer who gives her an oppotunity will get a hard working devoted employee.
     
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    Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

    If she's been in this country since she was four, the US is home to her, not the place where she was born.

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    Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

    How can you possibly say she was decidedly average as an applicant when you have never seen her application package?

    You have no idea what kind of applicant she was. I don't either, but UCLA admissions reviewed her application along with thousands of others and found her to be a good canidate for UCLA. Bitter people want to say it is all because of her race, but that is a very naive and shallow analysis of the sitatuion.
     
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    Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

    Yes. I worked nights in a warehouse and also had to borrow money to pay my bills. Fourtunately my post-graduate work was paid in part by my job.

    Do you have a problem with that?




    I mind you asking. Piss off.
     
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    Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

    Not if she's illegal. Laws are a bitch.
     
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    Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

    That's like saying the moon should be made of green cheese. Maybe it "should be", but it isn't.

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    Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

    Laws don't mean crap if you're a politician or a part of a protected group, such as illegal aliens.
     
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    Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

    My college was pretty cutthroat. I wasn't good enough to get in on grades...I needed to show other things.

    In my case, being Marine of the Quarter for my unit, smokin' SATs, a couple of good recommendations and a required year at the feeder Prep School.

    She's unlucky, though, since the DREAM act didn't pass she can't serve the country to get citizenship.

    As a legal point I don't quite understand, how does she work at Weinerschnitzel if she doesn't have a SSN? How does she pay taxes?
     
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    I said "home to her", meaning "what she thinks of as home". I agree that you and the US government might have a different definition of home for her.

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    Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

    "A San Pedro girl's undocumented status means no financial aid. Money is tight, classes are tough, and just getting to campus takes 2 1/2 hours."


    Sad there is a lack of appreciation for what this girl is trying to overcome. I know if I was in her sitaution and didn't have any breaks in life, I would probably have ended up rich or in jail by the age of 30 . . . most likely in jail.
     

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