For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered)

Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

I appreciate what she is trying to overcome, but the fact remains she isn't a legal resident. Of course, we're now funding abortions in Africa, so if we are doing that, we may as well give illegal aliens college tuition.

 

Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

I don't care what she thinks; the law is the law. I think of my "home" to be Jerry Stubblefield's place on Jantzen Island, but it's not.

 

Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

I forgot the icon on that. Whoops!

 

Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

You don't have to for my point to be made. Oh, and Jerry Stubblefield was the founder of Avia. He lives on an island in Oswego Lake.

 

Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

What is her potential? That she can ride a bus to work? She seems to not being doing all that well, doesn't think she'll get a job after graduation, and I see nothing else that would indicate that she will succeed other than having a UCLA diploma.

She seems to get lost.

 

Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

I can only go with what I'm given from the article.

She's an illegal.

She got into a state-funded, public institution.

Barely in the top20% of her high school class.

48th percentile on her standardized tests.

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.c...-race-based-affirmative-action-in-admissions/

http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/polisci/faculty/groseclose/CUARS.Resignation.Report.pdf


From the associate vice chancellor of the school: "Short of assigning a personal tutor, I'm not sure what else we can do," Lifka said.

Yeah, sounds really prepared. Maybe whoever hires her can hire someone to make sure she knows what she's doing.

 

Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

It's not true you are only going by what is in the article. A representative from UCLA say they consider othre things than GPA and you say it is because of race . . . show me in the article where it says she got admitted to UCLA because of race. You are going beyond the article.

But again we see things differnetly . . . anyone who is willing to ride a bus 2.5 hours to go to school where they can't even get financial aid . . . so basically they spend 5 hours on a bus daily and have to afford the tution costs without help . . . and can get a BA from UCLA. If you can't see the accomplishments there

 

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What are those mysterious "other things"? Its actually against the law to make race a determining factor I believe at UC schools, but there are ways around it.

If she had outstanding achievements, they would have likely been mentioned in this article. Its really perplexing.

And I don't give a shit if she takes a bus 3 hours to get to school and gets no financial aid. That's not an accomplishment in itself.

 

Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

I see, UCLA is a fine institution . . . that engages in illegal practices????

I wonder if there is a poster on this board that would ride the bus 3-5 hours a day to attend school that they get no help in paying. Hell I wonder how many psosters (or kids) would go to college if they got no financial help, had no money and had to compete against students that english is their first language . . . forget all taht, how many kids would go to college if they got no financial help?

They did mention her achievements in the article, you just don't recognize them as achievements (grew up with nothing, had no family support, that her just gettting to school and paying for the clothes on her back takes more effort than the classes themselves, that UCLA found something redeeming about these obsticles . . . many more)

Just like I don't put a lot of weight into some highschool student who aces their tests. I'm not saying I'm right, but I will tell you there are two schools of thought out there . . . some who judge people mostly by grades and tests and others who judge people more on what they have accomplished outside of school. I'm not saying which is better, just hope you recognize the two schools of thought.

You never answered me before, when you hire do you really put that much weight into grades and tests . . . because for me grades are an afterthought.

 

Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

growing up with nothing is an accomplishment?

Clothing yourself is an accomplishment?


Would you say raking the leaves or picking up a discarded soft drink can is an accomplishment as well?

 

Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

Twist it all you want . . . that's not what I'm saying.

Growing up with nothing, english is your second language, having to work to help pay bills in highschool, being the first one in your family to attend college, putting yourself through college, ridding a bus five hours a day to get to college, and obtaining a UCLA diploma . . yes call me crazy, but I consider that an accomplishment.

Growing up with nothing and doing nothing with your life . . . not an accomplishment. Is it really that hard to understand?

 

Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

Sure, its good she's not out there getting pregnant and living off welfare I guess. Quite the accomplishment. She needs to stop making excuses for herself though, which she seems to be doing.

She didn't set up her email.
She has to ride the bush.
She's illegal so she can't get a job.

blah blah blah.


To quote Glengarry Glen Ross' Ricky Roma: Your excuses are your own.

 

Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

Excuses? If she wanted excuses to quit on life, she's got them.

No excuses, she is got herself into UCLA and is paying her own way.

Ironic thing is it's that sad sack who didn't make it into UCLA who is using her as an excuse. People need to get over the fact she made it into UCLA and stop blaming illegal immigration for all their problems . . . talk about excuses.

But finally we see eye to eye . . . stop balming other for your problems, your excuses are your own (I like that)

 

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Actually as UCLA is a state-funded school, she is not paying her own way. And as an illegal, she has no place there in a state-funded school.

And I would never go to UCLA.

 

Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

So you are off the excuse thing . . . now realizing that really some are using her as an excuse as to why they didn't get into UCLA. I like what you said, stop the excuses and man up to the fact you (whoever) couldn't convince UCLA to accept you.

If you want to now turn this into the fact she is illegal. I can't argue with that. UCLA decided that they don't care, and I'm glad. Is it right . . . probably not. But there are a lot of worse things in this country than an undocumented student going to UCLA.

But let's get back to excuses . . . I think that is why I have gone this route. She makes no excuses for her situation and deals with it. Meanwhile I know there is some kids out there with a high GPA using her as an excuse as to why he didn't get into UCLA . . . isn't that really what this is all about . . . so that someone rejected from UCLA can point to her and say see is the reason why.

 

Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

Well, she doesn't seem to be thriving..doing about as well as someone with her qualifications would suggest.