For Everyone that Doesn't Like Nate's Coaching

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  1. Tortimer

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    Yeah I guess I agree with that. I'm not really making a excuse for not having Blake. I do think Blake has played really well this year and I thought we would miss him more then we have so far. I'm a huge Bayless fan but I'm still not sure we can trade Blake. I think a Bayless/Blake PG combo would be best for the Blazers. I could see Sergio being traded with LaFrenz if we could get anything we would need. I'm different then most and would like a backup banger PF before SF and especially PG where Bayless is better then most of the PG we could trade for.
     
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    You know, I don't want to sound all holier than thou, but to be honest most of you do not possess adequate knowledge about basketball, coaching, or the players themselves to validate some of the criticisms that you're making. If Nate makes a decision that YOU don't agree with, it doesn't mean he's a lousy coach. If a particular offensive play doesn't work out, it's not automatically Nate's fault. If he runs rotations that aren't ideal in your mind, that doesn't mean he's clueless.

    Also, since when is a 2-2 road trip considered disastrous? That sentence made me lol...jesus man get a grip. :crazy:
     
  3. Tince

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    They are so bad that Portland is the third most efficient offensive team in the league...?

    The only two teams who have a more efficient offense happen to have Kobe Bryant and Lebron James.

    The stats don't back up your criticism.
     
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    The fact that we rank high in efficiency should tell you just how good Roy is, not how good our offense is.

    Watch the games and then tell me how good our offense is. We have no movement, no cutters, no reposting of the ball.

    What Portland does almost every time down the floor is dribble the ball at the top of the circle and wait for a screen. Then no one rolls, they pass the ball out and hold it some more. By now there are always less than 7 seconds on the shot clock and Portland is forced to take a poor shot. Brandon Roy normally makes this shot though.

    I wish so much that there was a stat somewhere we could all see that showed shots within 1 second of a shot clock violation. Portland would dominate in this category. We also have to be leading in shot clock violations.
     
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  10. Tince

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    For one, I've watched the games, I've watched all but two games this season. I also coach basketball and have worked for a scouting service, so I would like to think I have some knowledge of the game.

    Is it fair for me to assume you think Brandon Roy is one of the top 3 players in the NBA? I know I'm jumping to conclusions, but that is the only thing I can come up with, based on your reasoning that Brandon Roy bails us out and make very difficult shots.

    Without having any proof, I would guess that we force more 24 second shot clock violations on other teams than we have ourselves. It seems to me that you tend to remember the bad possessions more than the good ones. You should chart the possessions the next game and see how many shots we take with 1 second left on the shot clock, I bet you would be surprised it's only a few (and our opponents is similar).
     
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    exactly how many championships or hell, NBA finals, has a D'antoni team won or played in?

    You have to play defense to win titles. D'Antoni teams don't play defense, and therefore, won't *ever* win a title.

    And I'm confused, MM bitches about Nate, but want a Van Gundy? And he's even considering the king of the slow-it-down offense, Jeff, as a good replacement?

    I'm not saying Nate is 100% the guy, but people seem to either forget that this team is young and is starting 2 rookies, and 3 are getting major minutes on the team. Including one coming off of MF.

    But ooh boy, NY scores 5 more points than Portland does. :smiley-woohoo:

    Oddly enough, they have a worse record.

    Why does Orlando have a better record? I don't know, it couldn't be that they're a vet team, could it? It couldn't be that they have players who have, as a starting unit, average more than 3 years in the NBA, right?
     
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    What if Stan Van Gundy came with Patrick Ewing? You can not argue with the development of Dwight Howard, and the way they utilize his skills, and get him involved in the offense.

    I hope Nate can do it, and I don't think he has nearly as much to work with as Stan Van Gundy does right now, considering how inconsistent the young Blazers players have been. However, if management were to go another direction, I think Stan would be a good replacement, and a better one than D'antoni, that is saying that he would actually be available to Portland.

    Certainly every coach would not be accessible. If they were, Phil would be the easy and obvious choice.
     
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    I think Stan would be a good fit here, however, it's premature for multiple reasons.

    1) Stan (and Patrick) didn't develop Dwight in 34 games, therefore I can't fault Nate for not being able to do it either. Plus, I do believe Oden and Howard are different players, at different levels of health, etc.

    2) The Magic are playing the best basketball in the league right now, so he isn't going anywhere, anytime soon. If he does end up going somewhere, it will be because his team did a total tank job, and at that point, it would raise a lot of red flags for me.

    3) Nate isn't going to get fired.

    I think your idea of getting a new (different) big man coach for Oden is a great idea, and Ewing would be an excellent fit.
     
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    I have actually done that for 2 games this season.

    1 game we had 2 24 second clock violations and 8 shots within 1-2 seconds on the clock...or forced shots.

    The other game we had 2 violations and 7 shots forced with time running out.

    I'm not here to argue, or get into a dick size type discussion, but I also coach and think I have some knowledge of the game. I appreciate your point of view, but I disagree with it.
     
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    No coach could have a slower offense than last in the league, so any coach that could bring better defense would be an improvement.
     
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    Thats debatable.
     
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    We are last in pace? How is it debatable?

    If for example JVG came here to coach and we were still last in pace, but top 10 or so in defense then we would be better right?
     
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    Because it doesn't mean we'd have a better record.
     
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    I get that there is no way to prove that, but a better defensive team would probably have a win or two more.
     

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