The same people who use the "god intended marriage between man and woman" is essentially saying that we should play into stereotypes and homosexuals aren't considered people and don't deserve the same rights as other people. Don't give me that "it is god's will" stuff either (not to be offensive or anything, just making a point and I'm not very religious), whatever happened to freedom of religion and belief? Isn't the reason for banning gay marriage simply because they're forcing us to believe in something that is based from Christainity? Ironic how U.S. is considered a country that is "free". Edit: By the way, I'm not gay.
Homosexuals can love each other just as much as straight people can. Yes, they should be able to get married. Republicans don't care about the sanctity of marriage--they don't give a **** about Britney Spears getting a marriage annulled in 9 days. They don't care about the divorce rates being so high you're more likely to split up than stay together. I guarantee the divorce rates for gays would be lower than what we have now. I think man ass sex is disgusting too, but I don't care what goes on in other people's bedrooms, and the government sure as hell shouldn't.
Just a thought, I would bet that statistically there has to be plenty of gays on this site. Can any of you tell which ones?
yes i think rudy gay should get married. haha just playin.. i really dont care what they do, as long as my kids dont turn out gay im good.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ManHops23:</div><div class="quote_post">No marriage is something sacred and holy between a man and a woman.</div> Its so sacred that divorce rates only now have begun to drop off. Right.. Its so sacred you have Las Vegas style weddings and weddings being annulled all the time, days after being married.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting asdf:</div><div class="quote_post">The same people who use the "god intended marriage between man and woman" is essentially saying that we should play into stereotypes and homosexuals aren't considered people and don't deserve the same rights as other people. Don't give me that "it is god's will" stuff either (not to be offensive or anything, just making a point and I'm not very religious), whatever happened to freedom of religion and belief? Isn't the reason for banning gay marriage simply because they're forcing us to believe in something that is based from Christainity? Ironic how U.S. is considered a country that is "free". Edit: By the way, I'm not gay.</div> Exactly. It, at one time, was "God's Will" to start the Crusades. Oops. Guess religion isn't infallible.
Some of the posters in here are being pretty ignorant. My stance is that I don't have a problem with gay marriages, as long as there is no "forcing of conversion" on the sides of the gay couple towards their children or other "straight" indaviduals they encounter. From reading the posts I have read with people that have actually known gay married couples (as opposed to creating fictional numbers), they do not seem to be forceful at all towards thier child, which is more then what I can say for some straight marriages I know of, which consists of the parents yelling at the kid to contort to certain views and lifestyles. If you are not gay, why do you even care? I'm straight, I don't care what gay people do, as long as it doesn't affect me directly. Not like I'm going to be the pastor at thier weddings or something. So, what's the problem? I've been straight all my life but if some next individuals want to get married to each other, who am I to say it's wrong? It's life, let people do what they want, especially in the "land of the free". As someone already said: times adapt, laws change and people evolve into acceptance. The mass of homosexuals are increasing and if this lifestyle continues to develop more, eventually, it should become allowed for them to be married, despite what George Bush or any of the other idiots afraid of losing voters thinks. There are a lot of ignorant leaders in this world, who will not accept issues such as this because they believe that they will lose votes of some ignorant 30-40-50 year olds who think of gays as the worst thing to be present upon this world. I would like to believe that my generation [80's kids] are much more mature and understanding about the subject because although there are always those strict close-minded individuals who believe it's wrong without giving it a thought, there are also open minded individuals that look into the other side of the view. To all the posters in here that are totally against it, that think it is totally disgusting...what if you were "born" gay?? What if your sexual orientation was that of a gay person? How would you feel about gays and thier rights then? Most of you guys that are all against gays dont see it from the other side of the coin. This isn't some minor movement of 200 people challenging laws of countries, it a MASS movement of people choosing the "alternative" lifestyle over the "regular" one. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> It bothers me that when I have a kid someday, he will ask me why that kid has two dads. </div> Why does that bother you??? All you have to do is tell your kid the truth. I'm pretty sure by the time you and I are in our marriage years, homosexuals will be even more commonplace then now. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> A child with two fathers or mothers is not a child, it's a product of disgust. </div> I would expect you to be a little less ignorant about the subject. A product of disgust? What gives you the right to say that??? There is no such thing as a "product" of disgust in this world unless it has to do with a sickening rapist or a pedophille creating babies out of underage women or women they force into having sex. A product of disgust is women who are forced into prostitution and as a result have to have babies and abortions to satisfy the sexual desires of horny men who just want quick sex in exchange for money. Those are products of disgust. A child with two fathers or two mothers could have more love present in thier family then those of 5000 other straight families for all we know, how can you just jump to such a conclusion? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> marriage is something sacred and holy between a man and a woman </div> The whole "sacred" thing ties in Gays with religion, which is a whole different topic. And from looking at divorce rates, it doesn't seem like this "sacredness" is totally believed in America and Canada.
My problem with homosexuality, are based off of Science, not Religion/etc. I almost don't care about gay marriage, so if it happens, I'd walk it off, but I'd prefer not to indirectly promote that lifestyle (with the national acceptance of gay marriage). I just have some questions for you people. How is being gay, different from being born with the urge to have intercourse with a little girl? Some killers/maniacs are born that way, does that mean it is okay to promote their lifestyle? However, if I am wrong for some reason, or if you have any important scientifc links that would disprove my current beliefs, I am willing to read it of course. It seems completely unnatural, biologically, and I consider it a mental condition.
I personally dont agree with it, not for a religious reason, but I just think man was intended to be with a woman and likewise, but I mean if 2 homosexuals love each other, then thats all that matters I guess, I dont think they should be stopped from loving each other.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting UKFan33:</div><div class="quote_post">Personally, I hate homosexuals with a passion and wish they weren't put on this earth. I know that's a little too harsh but didn't God put Adam and Eve earth first? God didn't create Adam and Steve, nor Madam and Eve. We were created to a plan--male and female complementing each other. ...and doesn't the Bible say that homosexuality is wrong--if you don't believe me, then read chaper 1 and 2 of Genesis and maybe you will change your mind So yeah, i'm definitely against gay marriage and would love to see it put to a stop...</div> You, are a sadly naive person. You hate homosexuals with a passion? Do you hate Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. with a passion too, because they don't agree with The Bible? That's what you're using as your defense. Do you think people should be stoned to death for working on Sundays, then? Since you follow the Old Testement to a damn tee, and all. Oh, that's right, you're a hypocrite. You're using the Bible to justify your own deeply seeded homophobia. Why are you homophobic? You should realize most people who have homophobia that is so passionate, so hateful as yours are gay themselves. The homophobia is a defense mechanism. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">My problem with homosexuality, are based off of Science, not Religion/etc. I almost don't care about gay marriage, so if it happens, I'd walk it off, but I'd prefer not to indirectly promote that lifestyle (with the national acceptance of gay marriage). I just have some questions for you people. How is being gay, different from being born with the urge to have intercourse with a little girl? Some killers/maniacs are born that way, does that mean it is okay to promote their lifestyle? However, if I am wrong for some reason, or if you have any important scientifc links that would disprove my current beliefs, I am willing to read it of course. It seems completely unnatural, biologically, and I consider it a mental condition.</div> No, and as someone who actually knows science, and isn't just a kid like you who had biology in high school, you are wrong. Homosexuality is common in animals. Homosexuality is not caused by a chemical imbalance, like the imbalances that fuel murderers and real sexual deviants. "Homosexuality appears to be widespread among insects, birds and mammals, particularly the apes. Many male penguins that apparently mate for life have been observed in homosexual pairs and refuse to pair with females when given the chance [4]. One report on sheep cited below states: 'Approximately eight percent of [male] rams exhibit sexual preferences [that is, even when given a choice] for male partners (male-oriented rams) in contrast to most rams, which prefer female partners (female-oriented rams). We identified a cell group within the medial preoptic area/anterior hypothalamus of age-matched adult sheep that was significantly larger in adult rams than in ewes...' " Do you realize that when you say "I would ignore homosexuality, but it's better for me to denounce it because I don't want to promote it." That makes you sound like you're very insecure with your sexuality. The thought of hairy man ass sex is disgusting to me, too, but I don't think my personal opinion should be legislated, affecting millions of adults capable of making their own decisions.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chuck:</div><div class="quote_post"> No, and as someone who actually knows science, and isn't just a kid like you who had biology in high school, you are wrong. Homosexuality is common in animals. Homosexuality is not caused by a chemical imbalance, like the imbalances that fuel murderers and real sexual deviants. "Homosexuality appears to be widespread among insects, birds and mammals, particularly the apes. Many male penguins that apparently mate for life have been observed in homosexual pairs and refuse to pair with females when given the chance [4]. One report on sheep cited below states: 'Approximately eight percent of [male] rams exhibit sexual preferences [that is, even when given a choice] for male partners (male-oriented rams) in contrast to most rams, which prefer female partners (female-oriented rams). We identified a cell group within the medial preoptic area/anterior hypothalamus of age-matched adult sheep that was significantly larger in adult rams than in ewes...' " Do you realize that when you say "I would ignore homosexuality, but it's better for me to denounce it because I don't want to promote it." That makes you sound like you're very insecure with your sexuality. The thought of hairy man ass sex is disgusting to me, too, but I don't think my personal opinion should be legislated, affecting millions of adults capable of making their own decisions.</div> And how does that make me insecure? I'd like to not see that stuff on TV all the time, that seems like something logical to say. Banning or approving Gay Marriage won't really change anything, I just don't feel like officially promoting that lifestyle. Explain to me again how that makes me unsure about myself. Don't go after me with ridiculous statements like that. Stick to those "cute" scientifc facts I asked for, heh. Yes, I have heard about various animals being homosexual before, this is not a revelation, but then one could also say they are suffering from some disorder too. With my experience, now that you've presented your side, I'd like a scientific article about the other side of the issue. You also did not fully describe in detail, how being homosexual is different from pedophilia. Off topic: My experiences with videos such as "Loose Change"/other CT videos, has taught me to listen to every side of the story before I make up my mind. I do not immediately buy into what you are saying until I get more info. I don't want to be mislead. I guess I'll be googling this topic to learn more about it. I'll get back to you. I'd say though, whatever seems generally unnatural and/or disgusting, would raise a red flag, in my eyes.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> How is being gay, different from being born with the urge to have intercourse with a little girl? Some killers/maniacs are born that way, does that mean it is okay to promote their lifestyle?</div> Because the two parties are consenting and agreed to the marriage or whatever. Whereas in your other examples, obviously one of them (the girl, the killed people) have really no say in the matter. I know you're trying to attribute homosexuality as something like abnormal in chemical levels in the brain or something, but just sayin.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Because the two parties are consenting and agreed to the marriage or whatever. Whereas in your other examples, obviously one of them (the girl, the killed people) have really no say in the matter. I know you're trying to attribute homosexuality as something like abnormal in chemical levels in the brain or something, but just sayin.</div> I appreciate your attempt at explaining this to me, but I was looking for a more scientific answer. Not so much your philosophical conclusion. As for both of them consenting, if there is something biologically flawed in them, there could still be something wrong there. This merits more reading/looking into on my part.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">I appreciate your attempt at explaining this to me, but I was looking for a more scientific answer. Not so much your philosophical conclusion.</div> No, you're not. You've got your ideas set and you aren't going to change them even if someone refuted it with the purest logic. You are stubbornly idiotic. Also, to the person who explained "in all your examples, one person isn't consenting", you're exactly right. Thank you for not being stupid in this thread.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chuck:</div><div class="quote_post">No, you're not. You've got your ideas set and you aren't going to change them even if someone refuted it with the purest logic. You are stubbornly idiotic. Also, to the person who explained "in all your examples, one person isn't consenting", you're exactly right. Thank you for not being stupid in this thread.</div> How the hell do you know that? What, are you lazy or something? Go get some more articles or I will. What a jerk, I really don't care as much as you think. You're just bitter someone actually wants to know both sides of the issue instead of listening to your banter. Please, spare me.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">And how does that make me insecure? I'd like to not see that stuff on TV all the time, that seems like something logical to say. </div> I watch shows that occasionally have a gay kiss or something in it. And you know what I do? I turn my ****ing head away for a second, or change the channel. It makes you insecure because you feel your sexuality is being infringed upon, by people who have absolutely nothing to do with you, by people who you will never meet, never see. You. Are. Pathetic.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chuck:</div><div class="quote_post">I watch shows that occasionally have a gay kiss or something in it. And you know what I do? I turn my ****ing head away for a second, or change the channel. It makes you insecure because you feel your sexuality is being infringed upon, by people who have absolutely nothing to do with you, by people who you will never meet, never see. You. Are. Pathetic.</div> You're obnoxious. Look at my previous post. You think you can read minds, you don't know anything.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting UKFan33:</div><div class="quote_post">Personally, I hate homosexuals with a passion and wish they weren't put on this earth. I know that's a little too harsh but didn't God put Adam and Eve earth first? God didn't create Adam and Steve, nor Madam and Eve. We were created to a plan--male and female complementing each other. ...and doesn't the Bible say that homosexuality is wrong--if you don't believe me, then read chaper 1 and 2 of Genesis and maybe you will change your mind So yeah, i'm definitely against gay marriage and would love to see it put to a stop...</div> I have no idea what you're talking about...please can you explain to me because I have never read the bible...
