<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">Once you've become baptized, you're required to have all 5. Until then, it doesn't matter as much. I'm currently unbaptized and I have 3 (uncut hair, the iron bracelet, and the small comb).</div> Well the undergarment one isn't too hard, boxers don't count right? (or else I'm sure you would have said you follow 4 of 5) do they have to be longer? I'm guessing the kirpan can be more difficult, just because it is surprizing to see someone carrying it around although my Sikh friend always had it under his clothes, I rarely saw it and it was always sheathed. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">It's not an absolute requirement, like in Islam, but it definitely helps to provide a greater appreciation for the religion. I went when I was in Grade 1 and it looks like I might go this winter.</div> The Golden temple is only gold plated right? If it was made entirely of gold, I would imagine it would be a target for theives, even though it is surrounded by water and only has one bridge to it, as well I'm sure many many Sikhs visit it daily. Was it gold plated when it was finished construction by the 5th guru (I think it was the 5th)? I think that will be enough questions for now thanks again.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLou11:</div><div class="quote_post">Well the undergarment one isn't too hard, boxers don't count right? (or else I'm sure you would have said you follow 4 of 5) do they have to be longer? I'm guessing the kirpan can be more difficult, just because it is surprizing to see someone carrying it around although my Sikh friend always had it under his clothes, I rarely saw it and it was always sheathed.</div> There's a special one that you an buy at a temple. It's a little longer and different than normal boxers. Currently, I'm still rolling with my Hanes. The kirpan's going to be bigger adjustment. You notice the difference more, and it leads to more of a hassle at places like the airport, etc. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLou11:</div><div class="quote_post">The Golden temple is only gold plated right? If it was made entirely of gold, I would imagine it would be a target for theives, even though it is surrounded by water and only has one bridge to it, as well I'm sure many many Sikhs visit it daily.</div> Yea, it is gold plated. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLou11:</div><div class="quote_post">Was it gold plated when it was finished construction by the 5th guru (I think it was the 5th)?</div> It was contructed by the 5th Guru (Arjan). But, the gold plating and a lot of the marble work was put in during the reign on Maharaja Ranjit Singh. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLou11:</div><div class="quote_post">I think that will be enough questions for now thanks again.</div> That's cool. I think we got a little to offtopic for the offtopic thread anyways. PM if you have any more questions.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Umair15:</div><div class="quote_post">Being gay is wrong dude. It says it in my religion. It should be man and a woman. If you're happy for them, that's fine, but common, being gay is wrong. I know you wouldn't want to be gay. I am against it.</div> Just because it says so in your religion, it doesn't necessairily make it wrong. Religious texts are argueably maniuplated to the desire of humans as they have been passed from generation to generation. That could also apply to any influencial text, period. I'm not saying the Quaran has been altered over the course of history but you can't just blindly say it's wrong because your religion says its wrong. If YOU feel it's wrong due to your loyalty to your religion, then ok, that's understandable. As for "I know you wouldn't wanna be gay", wth? Although I doubt anyone in this forum is actually gay, why would you say a comment like that? Being gay is not "wrong", it's a choice that you make (or are born with, depending on what side of nature vs. nurture you're in)...I personally don't have a problem with it unless the gay idividual is up in my face or invading my privacy/private space. None of that has happened in my life to this point...in fact I have yet to even meet a gay person.
^^ I am not telling everyon to belive that being gay is wrong. I am sying I believe that being gay is wrong. I know anyone here wouldn't be gay. Also, wonder if evryone started being gay, and you said you dont have a problem with gay people. Say if eventually everyone became gay, how would we make kids? What will happen to the future generation. We hagve to worry about the future. So I think it would be wrong for people to be gay. Thats just my opinion.
This is a very complex issue for most people, and I can understand the arguments on both sides for the most part. To me, it boils down to something as simple as this: no one should tell you how to run your life, and least of all who you should love and/or marry. I have no problem with it at all.
Yea but I think if a lot of people become gay, then the world would end soon. There would be no kids. Where would they come from if everyon starts being gay. Thats just my opinion, but you're right
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Umair15:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea but I think if a lot of people become gay, then the world would end soon. There would be no kids. Where would they come from if everyon starts being gay. Thats just my opinion, but you're right</div> That should be the least of your worries. The world's population has always been increasing, despite an increasing number of homosexuals. I mean, there's so many people that we can't even get enough people to adopt every orphan.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Say if eventually everyone became gay, how would we make kids? </div> I realize you're creating a hypothetical situation, but the chances of that being a reality is extremely slim. No matter how much the population of homosexuals in the world may increase by, I highly doubt they will ever equate to the amount of straight sex male and women in the world. Not everyone is going to turn into a homosexual person....there are a LOT of homophobics out there, and there are a lot of straight people who simply don't care about other people being homosexuals as long as they are not being violated themselves.
with all the dire issues in the world today that need our desperate attention, why is there a 5 page thread devoted to this issue? does your religion tell u to bypass the hungry and stone homosexuals?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> with all the dire issues in the world today that need our desperate attention, why is there a 5 page thread devoted to this issue? </div> Despite your own opinion, many people may feel like this is a sensitive issue that is worth a debate since the points are so conflicted. Controversial issues that are well-known spawn long discussions.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Umair15:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea but I think if a lot of people become gay, then the world would end soon. There would be no kids. Where would they come from if everyon starts being gay. Thats just my opinion, but you're right</div> Do you really believe everyone in this world will turn gay? Tell me why being gay is wrong, besides the fact that "the world will end."
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Schaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">This is a very complex issue for most people, and I can understand the arguments on both sides for the most part. To me, it boils down to something as simple as this: no one should tell you how to run your life, and least of all who you should love and/or marry. I have no problem with it at all.</div> Then by your theory, incest is normal and accpetable as well? If both people are consenting does that still make it right? Certain things in this world were not meant to be, and I see homosexuality as being similar to incest: it's wrong and it's disgusting. I knew a guy that used to be normal, and was actually a ladies man, but when he joined drama (not to stereotype or anything) and started hanging around with that crowd, he turned gay. It's all influence, and who you hang out with, kind of like emos and cutters. It sickens me that homosexuality is becoming a stylish and trendy thing to do. If they have to be gay, then that's fine, but don't go around wearing bright colours and talking all lispy and advertising it. Marriage by definition is the union between a man and a woman. There are all sorts of freaks out there, and if we let gays marry, then soon enough some freak is going to want to marry his dog or something, and, according to some of you, how is that any different? Don't even get me started on adooption. If the son of two men came to my school, he would have two options: 1) He'd have to hang out with all the fairys if he wanted to be accepted and have friends, thus he would probably turn out gay. 2) He'd be made fun of relentlessly and end up being a social outcast with no friends. Personally I'd take a foster home over those alternatives.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">with all the dire issues in the world today that need our desperate attention, why is there a 5 page thread devoted to this issue? does your religion tell u to bypass the hungry and stone homosexuals?</div> Aint that the truth. What does this "sensitive" topic matter anyway. Are you gay? No? Then why do you care if a gay can marry? Kind of a stupid subject if you ask me. It's like making homosexuals out to be non-human. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Marriage by definition is the union between a man and a woman. There are all sorts of freaks out there, and if we let gays marry, then soon enough some freak is going to want to marry his dog or something, and, according to some of you, how is that any different?</div> Lol? A human being marrying a human being is completely different than a human marrying a dog. This is such a retarded topic to worry about it's not even funny. If it doesn't pertain to you then leave it alone. What said person does sexually, doesn't matter to you. What does it really matter what/who said person marries? It's on the same premise that marrying out your own race is wrong. It's stupid and an ignorant way of looking at things to not let homosexuals marry. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I knew a guy that used to be normal, and was actually a ladies man, but when he joined drama (not to stereotype or anything) and started hanging around with that crowd, he turned gay. It's all influence, and who you hang out with, kind of like emos and cutters.</div> This quote sickens me. You act as if homosexuality is a disease. Homosexuality isn't a trend. "We declare our right on this earth...to be a human being, to be respected as a human being, to be given the rights of a human being in this society, on this earth, in this day, which we intend to bring into existence by any means necessary." -Malcolm X This topic proves there is no equality and respect amongst human beings.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting virve119:</div><div class="quote_post">Then by your theory, incest is normal and accpetable as well? If both people are consenting does that still make it right? Certain things in this world were not meant to be, and I see homosexuality as being similar to incest: it's wrong and it's disgusting. I knew a guy that used to be normal, and was actually a ladies man, but when he joined drama (not to stereotype or anything) and started hanging around with that crowd, he turned gay. It's all influence, and who you hang out with, kind of like emos and cutters. It sickens me that homosexuality is becoming a stylish and trendy thing to do. If they have to be gay, then that's fine, but don't go around wearing bright colours and talking all lispy and advertising it. Marriage by definition is the union between a man and a woman. There are all sorts of freaks out there, and if we let gays marry, then soon enough some freak is going to want to marry his dog or something, and, according to some of you, how is that any different? Don't even get me started on adooption. If the son of two men came to my school, he would have two options: 1) He'd have to hang out with all the fairys if he wanted to be accepted and have friends, thus he would probably turn out gay. 2) He'd be made fun of relentlessly and end up being a social outcast with no friends. Personally I'd take a foster home over those alternatives.</div> that was a tangent. since your so adamant about outlawing homosexuality, i'm sure u have scientific findings to attest to your assertions.
jhees.... has anyone read the bible story of soddom and gommorah (spelling corrections please) man this is wrong it's just another step forward to a bad society. This is wrong in my eyes and I'm viewing this as if I were to make the decision.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Franchise4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post">Aint that the truth. What does this "sensitive" topic matter anyway. Are you gay? No? Then why do you care if a gay can marry? Kind of a stupid subject if you ask me. It's like making homosexuals out to be non-human. Lol? A human being marrying a human being is completely different than a human marrying a dog. This is such a retarded topic to worry about it's not even funny. If it doesn't pertain to you then leave it alone. What said person does sexually, doesn't matter to you. What does it really matter what/who said person marries? It's on the same premise that marrying out your own race is wrong. It's stupid and an ignorant way of looking at things to not let homosexuals marry. This quote sickens me. You act as if homosexuality is a disease. Homosexuality isn't a trend. "We declare our right on this earth...to be a human being, to be respected as a human being, to be given the rights of a human being in this society, on this earth, in this day, which we intend to bring into existence by any means necessary." -Malcolm X This topic proves there is no equality and respect amongst human beings.</div> Because I don't want my kids growing up in a world where there are as many gays as straights, and where it's considered perfectly normal to be gay. I sure as hell don't want my kids to turn out gay because they were so immersed in a society that accepts being gay as being a perfectly normal thing. But hey, that's me and it's my opinion. I know some nice gay people, my old next door neighbours were gay, and actually had some ceremony that I had to go to about "celebrating their union together". I was always nice to them, but it just wasn't something I agreed with.
