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  1. crowTrobot

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    no. relativity applies to things moving through space. it doesn't apply to the expansion of space. expanding space can potentially carry things apart faster than the speed of light relative to each other without violating relativity.
     
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    The creation of life was indeed a singularity. No man has done it, no man knows how to do it.
    Belief in random chance resulting in spontaneous creation requires greater faith than believing in a creator's guiding hand.

    Kurt Gödel explained this mathematically in his paper, Gödel's Question, but I won't go into it here.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Preach it brother!!!!
     
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    Marzy; they will discount that statement though; giving you this coin flip scenario. But I definitely agree...
     
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    Exactly the same but with muzak, you're gonna love it
     
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    god of the gaps fallacy. we could in principal discover how to do it at any time.

    straw man. nobody believes abiogenesis could have been spontaneous creation by random chance.

    If you don't know what happened you can't say anything at all about the odds. For all we know god-free abiogenesis could be something that's inevitable and happening all the time in the universe. It could also be something extremely improbable on any one planet, but inevitable in an infinite universe and the universe is infinite.
     
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    Told you marzy....

    And the universe is infinite? How you figure? Mass is finite and energy is finite. Space and time was created when the Big Bang happened. So which part is infinite?
     
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    I have no idea if the universe is infinite in any way or not, but there is no proof mass and energy are finite or that all the spacetime that exists was created in the big bang, if any actually was. Nobody knows what the big bang was. Probably the 17th thread I've said this in.

    You guys seem confused about who is actually making claims here.
     
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    Don't have you confused. But I know you endorse the census of the majority opinion of the scientific community. And 98.99% believe in the Big Bang and mass and energy bring finite.

    You were the one claiming the universe is infinite.
     
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    No kidding.

    It all started somewhere/somehow. That seems to be the big head-scratcher. Right?

    I mean, when it boils down to its essence, all you uber-scientists can't seem to come up with that simple element/fact.

    Somewhere, somehow.....it all began. We're living proof of that.

    So, how did that all take place all you fact-based subscribers?
     
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    most believe in an initial Big Bang event, but there is little consensus and what it was or what if anything exists external to it or might have caused it. nobody knows what, if anything was "created".

    false. if anything the majority of current cosmologists think some sort of infinite multiverse is possible if not probable. again, lots of mixed opinions on this with no consensus.

    I said it's possible. I don't think anyone knows for sure. Certainly no working cosmologist takes the silly intuitive philosophical arguments used by apologists like WLC seriously. If the universe is finite or infinite we will only ever learn that through observation.
     
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    it would be cool if you could put aside your theistic predisposition for just a second and thought about why you conclude this. YOU began certainly, and you intuitively think the universe must have, but there is no evidence "stuff" hasn't always existed in some possible sense. you have no trouble thinking god has always existed. why can't that apply to the universe (assuming the big bang wasn't an actual beginning, which it may not have been)?
     
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    Have fun with that.

    I'm loving this Christian life that I'm living. Salvation aside, everything the Bible prescribes for me is in my very best interest. It's a cool deal.....really.

    If you'd like to live your life in the way the you believe, knock yourself out. Probably, nothing I say here will change your mind. You're certainly not gonna change mine.

    Doesn't mean I wouldn't love to enjoy a beer with you sometime. :cheers:
     
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    A philosopher might ask, "if a universe big bangs in the middle of a forest, and there's no one there to hear it, does it make a sound?"
     
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    Multiverse? Lmao dude hardly anyone believes in that. Nice try though. And let's say there is a multiverse; still doesn't mean that the universe is infinite. Not even close. They just further justify that they are finite.
     
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    cool yeah I'm not trying to change your mind because I already know that's not possible : )

    you just asked why we think the way we do and I was pointing out we aren't assuming some things you are.
     
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    read something besides Christian propaganda.
     
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    Fair enough. May the fours be with you. :)
     
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    So, I'm assuming here, you tend to believe that life/matter has always existed in some capacity?
     
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    You say, "X must be true because I'm biased and I say it's true." Then you want your opponents to prove it. Nope, that's your job.

    You previously said that most scientists are for dimension theory. Now you say that most are against multiverse theory. The theories aren't separate. It's the same theory.
     

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