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  1. Denny Crane

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    I used a metaphor.

    The ingredients for life were there, without any need for a creator. We have life.

    You could not have life without the ingredients. That we did not witness the moment life arose does not indicate any sort of mythical being intervened. No indication.

    No indication, whatsoever. Not one teeny weeny bit of evidence of intervention.

    No evidence of a creator, leprechauns, unicorns, etc.
     
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    your girlfriend might get jealous
     
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    Actually there is more than a tiny weeny. No life has been observed without a life form creating it. There is no gap. It is what it is. You can have all the soup in the universe and still no observation of what you suggest.

    There is much less evidence that life came from non life. That number is zero.
     
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    Doh!!!!

    You must modify. She is my wife now.
     
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    See, you're completely wrong in everything you wrote here.

    There is no evidence of a creator or other mythical beings I mentioned.

    The fact there is life is evidence life came from non life, or that it always existed. That number is in the trillions of live lifeforms on just the earth today.
     
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    Read what you just wrote. Lol!!!!! The point you mentioned trillions of life forms on this planet; all of which observed use life to create itself. All of which are extremely complex; yet not a single one has been observed to have been created without life; only supports my belief of a creator.

    There is more probability that a spaghetti monster designed us with its meatball sperm; than proteins forming and actual DNA code morphing from nothing.
     
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    And furthermore; even evolution supports "learn behavior" and "genetic mutations". Those are traits of something programed that reprograms itself and advances in the process. The gap is what programmed it in the first place?

    Has anyone ever observed something programming from nothing? A computer program can't create itself. And don't use the modern self programming models; because those models were once programmed by a creator; man...
     
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    Mutation isn't the result of some sort of programming. Now you're just pulling my leg or something.
     
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    Absolutely a form of programming. Let's say a DNA has it programmed to be a red blood cell and function like one. Then it mutates and does another function. So is that cell still a red blood cell; or did it change because the mutation changed the program?
     
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    But what made the mutation happen is not programming, it's chance. mutations happen all the time, the vast majority of those mutations are either neutral or disadvantageous to the survivability of the cell/organism. Those mutations simply don't usually take hold. But, if the mutation, completely randomly, improves survivability then the mutation will become fixed. At that point, you may call it programming, but the original mutation is not, it's just a mistake. If I were giving you directions to drive from LA to Portland, and by total mistake I say left instead of right at some point. Those directions are no longer the program because they don't give the intended directions. of course, this could be another case of semantics. You could call it programming or not, that's of little consequence. The point is that it is completely random and unguided.
     
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    That's not mutation. That's differentiation. And a cell doesn't change from a red blood cell to some other kind of cell. The DNA is the same for all cells in an organism. Differentiation occurs when certain bits of the DNA are stressed by the cell.
     
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    I don't want to get in the middle of this argument but I do need to clarify something. You say scientists don't believe in a creator because there is no evidence for one. My father has a BA in theology and BA, Masters degree, and PhD in chemistry and physics. The concepts don't conflict for him and I have to think he's not the only Christian scientist out there.
     
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    Programming. Thank you for clarifying. You can change a bit of code and the cell changes. You can say it's the same, but a cancer cell is not the same as a normal cell.
     
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    He isn't. In fact there are many prominent Christian scientists in the field today.
     
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    Not programming.

    Cancer is a mutation of a cell. It's abnormal, hence a serious disease.

    Mutations occur when particles from radiation from the sun or space literally collide with atoms that make up DNA of a cell and damage it.
     
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    You can try and explain it any way you want; but when a program "DNA" changes; it gets reprogrammed. Any program that changes is reprogrammed; either it be by mutation, association or any other name you want to call it.

    A computer virus can be very serious too; but it's still a program.
     
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    That program really being a blueprint of sorts and one that has EVOLVED over billions of years. Right.

    Mutation occurs when there's a cell that replicates and has a tiny copy error in the DNA.
     
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    Yep and that tiny copy error mutates and reprograms the new cell into something else
     
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