For you believers...

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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    And there was no designer involved. What do you know!!!
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    All of those instances all changed living cells. None made cells from nothing! Haha what you know?!
     
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    So if in some lab somewhere a scientist combines electricity and amino acids and POOF there is single cell life does that instantly disprove the existence of god?
     
  4. Further

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    yes, just trying to introduce something that should be common knowledge but most people don't know. Yes, causes, there are basically two, first is as you were mentioning, DNA damage from environmental agents such as UV, nuclear radiation or certain chemicals. The second type is basically mistakes that occur when a cell copies its DNA in preparation for cell division.
     
  5. MarAzul

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    No, but you probably have found a qualified stand in.
     
  6. magnifier661

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    Disproves god? I would think it would just give more credibility that life can exist without life creating it (by random chance). It would definitely be a blow for theist that use my argument. Yes
     
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    Score one for you in one short sentence "I don't know" . Have a good day.
     
  8. Denny Crane

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    And there was no designer involved.

    As if you set fire to a piece of paper. The result isn't paper anymore. There was no designer of what was left behind, the ashes. You couldn't assure the paper took exactly 13.4 seconds to burn entirely. Or the shape of the fire.

    No designer.
     
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    No.

    You can't disprove much - that's something of a logic trap.

    If a scientist did make life from inert material, it's prove with certainty that it could be done as we expect.
     
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    Actually there was. You designed the fire to set fire to the paper. You were the cause and the paper burning was the effect. Try again.
     
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    But let's be clear shall we? It hasn't been done; therefor it's a moot point.
     
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    I am the cause of the fire. The fire has a "mind" of its own. It will burn as long as it wants to, leaving a pile of ash in whatever shape it decides. It's not actually deciding... it's RANDOM.
     
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    I lack the ability to believe in things like a deity based solely on faith, but I understand those who do have faith.

    I find those who bash people with faith, while not understanding that concept, to be 1000x more annoying, based on their own certainty of there being no deity, yet without having proof.
     
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    Well, I'm convinced...
     
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    Humans made soup, not 'nature'. LOL What a terrible analogy.
     
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    Really? Can you prove that "fact"? You'd be a very rich man if you can do so.
     
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    Strawman that has literally nothing to do with the origin of life.
     
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    Yes, if the experiment can be replicated. It's been tried countless times already, though, even with megadoses of electricity that far surpass any natural sources.
     
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    I would hope so, since you're a strict agnostic and that's the position I was arguing.
     

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