Harris isn't one. His decision making and court vision just isn't up to par with what we need in a player that's running the point (Maybe I was spoiled by Kidd). And unless Brook Lopez truly does develops into a Tim Duncan or Shaq (not going to happen), then this should be one of our major concerns. Heck it doesn't even have to be something major, an Andre Miller or Brevin Knight could do wonders for this roster. Shift Harris to the SG position where he can create mismatches, and shift VC to the small forward.
Forget about a SF, the Nets need a PG
- Thread starter NJ-VC-AI
- Start date
Welcome to our community
Be a part of something great, join today!
Malorkayel
Member
- Joined
- Jul 1, 2008
- Messages
- 647
- Likes
- 2
- Points
- 18
He's turning into Starbury 2.0 This is half a complement, Starbury was great when he had it going.
xflavioVC15x
Member
- Joined
- Oct 19, 2008
- Messages
- 927
- Likes
- 2
- Points
- 18
I love it how everyone says Harris sucks when e has a bad game but then when he has great games and hits buzzer beaters everyone is saying hes an all star and the best pg in the east
Malorkayel
Member
- Joined
- Jul 1, 2008
- Messages
- 647
- Likes
- 2
- Points
- 18
This is what happens to combo guards.
The thing with Marbury was that he had excellent court vision and passing abilities. Far superior to Harris in those regards. He just chose not to use them. Harris just lacks the basic instincts when it comes to finding players and getting them the ball in the right place. I'd much rather have Harris play the 2.
Bold the sentence where I stated Harris sucked? I never said he sucked. He's just not a true PG, hence the reason Avery kept him on a leash in Dallas.
ly_yng
Active Member
- Joined
- Aug 2, 2007
- Messages
- 1,156
- Likes
- 4
- Points
- 38
This might be the most idiotic thread of posts I've ever seen on this site. Certainly of all the threads that have at least tried to talk about basketball.
Listen, I agree, Harris doesn't have amazing basketball instincts. Neither does LeBron James. But in both cases, their superior athleticism makes up for the fact that they're not amazing decision makers. The play of Harris is the only reason this team is smelling the playoffs - to pretend like he's the PROBLEM is completely idiotic.
And if you think this team is bad defensively now, wait till Harris is matching up against Tracy McGrady, and Vince is matching up against LeBron.
Listen, I agree, Harris doesn't have amazing basketball instincts. Neither does LeBron James. But in both cases, their superior athleticism makes up for the fact that they're not amazing decision makers. The play of Harris is the only reason this team is smelling the playoffs - to pretend like he's the PROBLEM is completely idiotic.
And if you think this team is bad defensively now, wait till Harris is matching up against Tracy McGrady, and Vince is matching up against LeBron.
Malorkayel
Member
- Joined
- Jul 1, 2008
- Messages
- 647
- Likes
- 2
- Points
- 18
Sound like you're agreeing with everything that's said on this thread, but you just want to insult the posters too.
Devin's weaknesses are getting exposed as more teams are ready for him. We didn't say he was a bust, we're pointing out flaws and he's a young guy.
BrooklynBound
Member
- Joined
- Feb 22, 2008
- Messages
- 425
- Likes
- 0
- Points
- 16
LeBron doesn't have basketball instincts?
Accelerate
Member
- Joined
- May 8, 2008
- Messages
- 211
- Likes
- 1
- Points
- 18
Just because he scores a lot doesn't mean he's not a point guard. The Nets saw his scoring as a strength and used it to their advantage. His teammates are still getting more than enough touches. It's interesting you brought up Tim Duncan as someone who needs a 'real' point guard to play with. Who does he have? Tony Parker, who falls into the same category of point guard as Devin. Shifting Harris to the off-guard wouldn't be that great as it doesn't allow the Nets to make the best of his dribble penetration skills, probably his greatest asset. Heck, last time I checked, six assists a game wasn't too shabby. The Nets' offense is one of the top six in the league, I believe. This is the least of their concerns.
And by all accounts, Harris does not have poor court vision and decision-making.
You couldn't be further off. LeBron's instincts and playmaking ability are top notch. How does Harris impact the game if he isn't scoring? As far as Harris's play goes, I agree, his play does have a lot to do with our current position, but lets not forget that the Nets started out well because teams played Harris to his strength (scoring). Now teams are adjustng and turning Harris into a passer, and the Nets are faltering because of it.
I never said he wasn't a PG because he scores a lot, I said he's not a PG because he lacks the court vision and basic instincts to be an effective one. I mentioned Duncan because I wanted people to realize why a guy who's similar to Harris (Parker) is effective. Harris doesn't have the luxury of playing with a Duncan, so it's even more important for him to have those natural point guard instincts.
He does have mediocre court vision and decision making, too many times does Harris get caught in a trap and he either throws the ball away trying to pass, or tries to force a shot to get bailed out by the refs. This is why guy's like Wade and AI (prime) were so unstoppable, not only did teams have to respect their ability to score, they had to respect their ability to pass. Teams are getting better and better defending Harris, and we haven't even played the best of them yet.
Accelerate
Member
- Joined
- May 8, 2008
- Messages
- 211
- Likes
- 1
- Points
- 18
Wade averages 3.8 turnovers a game, just barely under league leaders Steve Nash and Stephen Jackson who have 3.8 as well, while Harris is 25th at 2.5. A high turnover rate doesn't mean you're not a point guard, either.
What it ultimately comes down to is 'does not being the prototypical pass-first pure point make him less of a point guard?' I don't think so.
Last edited:
SportsTicker
News Feed
- Joined
- Jul 17, 2003
- Messages
- 6,105
- Likes
- 9
- Points
- 38
This thread may be one of the dumbest ever.
Brevin Knight? Andre Miller? What have they ever won?
Stephon Marbury? Wash out your mouth with soap?
I never stated Harris had to be a pass first point guard to be listed one. I stated that Harris doesn't have the passing ability to be an effective point guard. This doesn't make Harris any less of a player. If Harris had the court vision of a Dwyane Wade or an Allen Iverson, or heck even a Stephon Marbury, then this thread wouldn't have been made.
Thanks for completely missing the point of this thread..
Nikolokolus
There's always next year
- Joined
- Sep 19, 2008
- Messages
- 30,704
- Likes
- 6,198
- Points
- 113
Portland will Trade Sergio Rodriguez to NJ for Harris straight up; he's definitely the "pass first" point you guys are looking for!! 
ScoringPG1850
Member
- Joined
- Mar 7, 2008
- Messages
- 55
- Likes
- 0
- Points
- 6
Forget about a damn PG, we got Keyon Dooling. I don't see the Nets achieving great feats with a pure point guard on the floor. They tend to struggle a lot when Devin isn't on the floor. Devin may not be a great 20+ assist point guard but he sure finds other ways to make up for it. I like Devin at the point. Besides, what are we going to do with two great shooting guards?
The real problem is that our young players are getting outsmarted and outplayed by guys with a lot more experience. They commit a lot of turnovers and get abused on the defensive end. Brook needs major help down on the low post and we need another smart player like Jarvis Hayes.
The real problem is that our young players are getting outsmarted and outplayed by guys with a lot more experience. They commit a lot of turnovers and get abused on the defensive end. Brook needs major help down on the low post and we need another smart player like Jarvis Hayes.
rocketeer
Active Member
- Joined
- Jul 29, 2003
- Messages
- 3,250
- Likes
- 20
- Points
- 38
you called this the most idiotic thread of posts you've seen on this site and then topped them all with one short statement. impressive.
purplehaze89
Member
- Joined
- Oct 5, 2007
- Messages
- 208
- Likes
- 0
- Points
- 16
Harris is coming down with Richard Jefferson disease. Play both ends of the court Harris. That D on Felton was atrocious.
purplehaze89
Member
- Joined
- Oct 5, 2007
- Messages
- 208
- Likes
- 0
- Points
- 16
Other than scoring, what does Harris do that is so fantastic? Today, other than a few scoring spurts, he did absolutely nothing. He was horrible on D and has accumulated a grand total of 4 assists in the last two games. At least Marbury averaged 8 or 9 helpers a game in his heyday.
ScoringPG1850
Member
- Joined
- Mar 7, 2008
- Messages
- 55
- Likes
- 0
- Points
- 6
Few scoring spurts? He's usually one of the leading scorers. He took a charge. He kept Felton from a repeat performance. He draws three or four defenders everytime he drives. Everyone plays zone defense on him and he opens up two people on the perimeter for easy three's...the problem is those people don't make their shots consistently. Granted, he missed some easy lay-ups this game, he's been off, but without Devin, we don't go very far.
Ruthless Outlaw
Member
- Joined
- Dec 23, 2008
- Messages
- 38
- Likes
- 0
- Points
- 6
he just needs to understand, that carter is still the number 1 go-to guy, and just needs to become a better passer. He doesnt seem like he has a big head like starbury, and understands that its about the team first.
nets1
Member
- Joined
- Jun 18, 2008
- Messages
- 901
- Likes
- 2
- Points
- 18
I agree. As some of the rookies develop by the end of the season you will see his assists go way up. But right now we need Harris to score, cause after watching vc for the past 4 years he can't deliver every night. So having a second option really helps. You saw how Riley teams always figure out a way to shut down VC, so harris can make them pay for that kind of defense...
purplehaze89
Member
- Joined
- Oct 5, 2007
- Messages
- 208
- Likes
- 0
- Points
- 16
Yes, Riley teams shut down Carter. They shut him down to career averages (as a Net) of 25.5 on 48% shooting against the Heat (including a career high 51 points and a triple double; also including a 27 average against the Heat in the NBA Playoffs).
Every player does not have it every single night. I agree that a scoring point guard is exactly what THIS team needs, an overachieving mediocre .500 team with a guaranteed first round exit. But is it what a better team requires? Will Harris develop his playmaking skills properly (when the team DOES become better) if all he does is look for his shot and pass 3rd if he doesn't have an angle?
Universe
Hall of Fame
- Joined
- Mar 5, 2005
- Messages
- 3,736
- Likes
- 3
- Points
- 38
We do need a scoring point gaurd. For the past couple years, everytime we signed someone, we said Kidd would make them better and how many of those players did he turn into Kenyon Martins?
If Harris passes, who is going to actually make the shot other than Vince?
If Harris passes, who is going to actually make the shot other than Vince?