Steve Nash deserves a lot of the credit, that guy is amazing. I'm done hating on Steve cause of how the Suns have traumatized us Laker fans. Steve has shown me in the Spurs series that he is a god damn warrior. And despite bleeding profusely, all he wanted to do was go out there and get the win for the Suns doing whatever it takes. Game 1 he takes the headbutt to the nose like a man, and wasn't lying on the floor crying like a little girl like Parker. He gets knee'd in the groin by Bowen AND he gets checked hard by Rob Horry. The guy is a great sport, and who cares if he flops a little bit. Everyone does it, you gotta do what you gotta do.
^ word. Like I've stated in the Lakers Skybox, I'm actually rooting for the Suns this series. I'm not a big fan of Steve Nash, or anyone on the Suns roster, but they've earned my respect. I'm actually hoping they can somehow comeback and beat the Spurs, because my hate for them is stronger than ever.
<div class="quote_poster">illmatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Steve Nash deserves a lot of the credit, that guy is amazing. I'm done hating on Steve cause of how the Suns have traumatized us Laker fans. Steve has shown me in the Spurs series that he is a god damn warrior. And despite bleeding profusely, all he wanted to do was go out there and get the win for the Suns doing whatever it takes. Game 1 he takes the headbutt to the nose like a man, and wasn't lying on the floor crying like a little girl like Parker. He gets knee'd in the groin by Bowen AND he gets checked hard by Rob Horry. The guy is a great sport, and who cares if he flops a little bit. Everyone does it, you gotta do what you gotta do.</div> Well Tim Duncan has shown me that interior defense shouldn't be underestimated. Yeah, Steve's a great player, but that's not where the problem lies. The fact is, if the Suns get KG and they win 73+ games, I wouldn't be rewarding Nash again with an MVP (as long as Duncan keeps playing at this level). He's getting too much Credit, IMO, that's my whole point (not that he doesn't belong on a top ten list).
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well Tim Duncan has shown me that interior defense shouldn't be underestimated. Yeah, Steve's a great player, but that's not where the problem lies. The fact is, if the Suns get KG and they win 73+ games, I wouldn't be rewarding Nash again with an MVP (as long as Duncan keeps playing at this level). He's getting too much Credit, IMO, that's my whole point (not that he doesn't belong on a top ten list).</div> I agree, Duncan is dealing with the same issues Shaq dealt with when he was dominating. Maybe Shaq was robbed of a few MVP's because he missed a lot of games, but during his prime there was no even close to making the impact Shaq made on both ends of the court. I think a lot has to do with the fact Duncan and Shaq are big players. These voters can't appreciate them, because they can't relate to them. Most fans relate to guards, because in their minds they tell themselves, "you know what, I can do that." How many of these writers can relate to being a 300lb 7 footer? It also has to do with preconceived expectations. The writers who vote for these awards expect Duncan to get 20/10 and be a force on defense. He's been taken for granted because so consistently good. Nash is an amazing player, he's fantastic, exciting to watch, makes the right decision with basketball 95% of the time, but as great as he's been in Phoenix, this team has underachieved in comparison. Phoenix hasn't even made it to the Finals yet with Nash and their incredible depth and skilled players. Nash also doesn't make any impact on the defensive end for Phoenix. I don't think he's received enough criticism for not taking Phoenix further. He's folded in crunch time quite a few times in his career, and somehow he's avoided the brunt of the blame.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I agree, Duncan is dealing with the same issues Shaq dealt with when he was dominating. Maybe Shaq was robbed of a few MVP's because he missed a lot of games, but during his prime there was no even close to making the impact Shaq made on both ends of the court. I think a lot has to do with the fact Duncan and Shaq are big players. These voters can't appreciate them, because they can't relate to them. Most fans relate to guards, because in their minds they tell themselves, "you know what, I can do that." How many of these writers can relate to being a 300lb 7 footer? It also has to do with preconceived expectations. The writers who vote for these awards expect Duncan to get 20/10 and be a force on defense. He's been taken for granted because so consistently good. Nash is an amazing player, he's fantastic, exciting to watch, makes the right decision with basketball 95% of the time, but as great as he's been in Phoenix, this team has underachieved in comparison. Phoenix hasn't even made it to the Finals yet with Nash and their incredible depth and skilled players. Nash also doesn't make any impact on the defensive end for Phoenix. I don't think he's received enough criticism for not taking Phoenix further. He's folded in crunch time quite a few times in his career, and somehow he's avoided the brunt of the blame.</div> Indeed shape, this is exactly what I was referring to. How polite of you to elaborate so specifically.
Wow that is a crazy lineup, nash, barbosa, diaw, kg, amare, HOLY SHIET! But sorry, not going to happen. The Wolves would rather take a bite at Amare. At least he sells more ticket than Shawn.
<div class="quote_poster">kobe4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wow that is a crazy lineup, nash, barbosa, diaw, kg, amare, HOLY SHIET! But sorry, not going to happen. The Wolves would rather take a bite at Amare. At least he sells more ticket than Shawn.</div> Would the Timberwolves really do this? Because if they do, as many have said, this team will be monstrous. It would be way better then Kobe + KG. I don't know...would Mchale want to do that? Would they rather take Bynum+ Kwame+ Odom, or Marion and 2 first round picks. Would they be the cause of one ofhe best teams ever or rather just make a contender and give Kobe a suitable sidekick?
WOW. If the trade does happen i will be shock but i think that if the wolves are smart they will ask for Amare. I hope that SUNS could win today and then beat the Spurs in Phoniex. The trade they will offer is better than the Lakers could offer. I guess know we go AFTER JO.
<div class="quote_poster">lakersfan171 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">WOW. If the trade does happen i will be shock but i think that if the wolves are smart they will ask for Amare. I hope that SUNS could win today and then beat the Spurs in Phoniex. The trade they will offer is better than the Lakers could offer. I guess know we go AFTER JO.</div> If the Suns pull off the trade for KG, the Lakers better land JO and Jason Kidd this offseason.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If the Suns pull off the trade for KG, the Lakers better land JO and Jason Kidd this offseason.</div> JO and Jason Kidd... How could that work? I mean trade wise, not like play wise.
I'm just curious, does anyone have a link to this? I haven't heard anything else about it and I'm just wondering.
I doubt this is going to happen. Marion is on the decline, and I think that the T-Wolves would much rather have a young Andy B and LO, who is still young.
<div class="quote_poster">lakerman34 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I doubt this is going to happen. Marion is on the decline, and I think that the T-Wolves would much rather have a young Andy B and LO, who is still young.</div> Marion isn't on the decline, if anything, he's in his prime now. Odom is only a few months younger than Marion. Plus, Marion isn't the main piece the Wolves want, the Wolves want Phoenix's first round pick to pick Al Horford or Yi Jianlian. Point is, if the Suns and Lakers decide to both chase Garnett, the Suns have more to offer, plain and simple.
<div class="quote_poster">Bobcats Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Marion isn't on the decline, if anything, he's in his prime now. Odom is only a few months younger than Marion. Plus, Marion isn't the main piece the Wolves want, the Wolves want Phoenix's first round pick to pick Al Horford or Yi Jianlian. Point is, if the Suns and Lakers decide to both chase Garnett, the Suns have more to offer, plain and simple.</div> Not really, Lakers are offering size and LO, Marion is more of a beneficiary player from Nash. A determined Odom has more utility than Marion does.
<div class="quote_poster">YourNewChef Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Not really, Lakers are offering size and LO, Marion is more of a beneficiary player from Nash. A determined Odom has more utility than Marion does.</div> The hard part is making him determined. Don't a lot of Laker fans accuse of him of not giving 100% all the time? I think Shawn Marion is a better player than Lamar Odom, both offensively and defensively. He has a really ugly shot but it goes in so that's all that matters. Defensively, he can cover anyone on the court, regardless of their size. He fills up the stat sheet and does everything out there. I think he's more valuable than Lamar Odom, no matter what team he is on.
<div class="quote_poster">Swish Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The hard part is making him determined. Don't a lot of Laker fans accuse of him of not giving 100% all the time? I think Shawn Marion is a better player than Lamar Odom, both offensively and defensively. He has a really ugly shot but it goes in so that's all that matters. Defensively, he can cover anyone on the court, regardless of their size. He fills up the stat sheet and does everything out there. I think he's more valuable than Lamar Odom, no matter what team he is on.</div> Lamar Odom played some of his best basketball in the beginning of the season before getting injured. His size and versatility is what makes him most valuable. The guy abused Shawn Marion in the playoffs last year, and had a pretty decent series against the Suns this year, despite playing with an injury that was said to end his season. I don't think the Lakers have more pieces to aquire Kevin Garnett than the Suns, but they can put together a decent package. Lamar Odom + Andrew Bynum + Jordan Farmar + 19th overall pick + future picks should make the Timberwolves consider. Plus, there's no guarentee that the Suns will end up with the Hawk's pick, considering it is top 3 protected.
I think that Shawn Marion is so much better than Lamar Odom. He's more athletic, more explosive, more consistent. Just because Odom had a good series against him doesn't mean he's a better player. Manu frustrates Kobe all of the time, does that make heim the better player, Brian?
Yeah, I don't think you can even compare Lamar Odom to Shawn Marion to be honest. Marion is just capable of doing so much more and he has never been accused of not giving his all.
<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think that Shawn Marion is so much better than Lamar Odom. He's more athletic, more explosive, more consistent. Just because Odom had a good series against him doesn't mean he's a better player. Manu frustrates Kobe all of the time, does that make heim the better player, Brian?</div> I never said Lamar Odom was better than Shawn Marion. I'd do an Odom for Marion swap in a heartbeat. I was just giving an example of Odom's strength, which is his versitility and size. Another point I would like to add about Odom is that one of the main reasons why has been dissapointing is because of Kobe Bryant. Lamar Odom and Kobe Bryant don't seem to co-exist. They've shown flashes, but have never been consistent. Back in Miami, when Odom was basically their main guy, he was putting up potential All-Star numbers. If the Wolves do trade away Garnett in a package revolved around Odom, I expect him to contribute more heavily in a Timberwolf jersey.
