Foyle back on GS?

ESPN says its a 5 year contract with a 6 year option (not sure if it's a Player or Team one) worth 40 Million. This has got be the biggest contract given to someone who's coming off a year with less than 4 PPG. I think they could of done better. He's not worth 8 million annually. Doleac could do the same job for a third of that.

 

It is a team option. The contract starts off at only $6.5m and increases annually by 15% I think. True, Adonal did get a good contract for being a bench player, however, if you look at his production along with Damps production, those two combined to put up better numbers than just about any center in the league. Also, if you look at his minutes, he still has alot of blocks for the limited time he plays.

 

BTW, I think in your sig, the quote should say fate instead of faith...

 

Sure, Doleac has some offensive game (a nice midrange jumper, for example), but where are his big-man skills? Rebounding, defense, shot-blocking?

Foyle is pretty mobile on defense and has a great penchant for shot-blocking. He's stopped transition offenses by himself by blocking the lay-up or dunk, and he's pretty good at getting position for offensive putbacks and defensive rebounds. He's a hard worker and high energy guy who's in the middle of many plays. Doleac is a bit too tentative and when I've watched him, he tries as best he can but his instinct just isn't there, like he's a second too slow.

Last season, Foyle was in Musselman's doghouse for some reason and rarely played. When came back from a knee injury (but his knee felt fine, he said) he never really got minutes because Musselman played Dampier 35-40 minutes a game. So his production shouldn't be totally related to his contract. Add that into the previous argument about his defense and his value has to be more than the 2.66 million/year that you're arguing for.

I can't argue that the contract is humongous and probably overvalued a bit, but as I noted, it's really an economic decision - Keyesian economic theory of supply and demand. Supply for big men? Nada. Demand? About seven teams have room for max contracts, and eighteen teams looking for a big man. You're looking at having to overpay and take a risk now, or risk being shut out in the cold for the season and waiting for the next. It's not totally undeserved, just overpriced. And, as far as I've calculated, this still leaves the W's with a good chunk of change for next season's FA market.

 

Good post Zhone.

 

I like what I just recently heard on ESPN about this deal. They were talking to some analyst, and what he said was to the effect that quietly, Foyle was drawing a lot of attention in the league, and common perception was that being slightly younger than Dampier, and because his offense has never had the minutes to shine, he could be an exceptional pickup for any team lacking inside presence. I myself heard that he'd drawn interest from the Knicks.

But, what I really liked was what was said after that, that this is another way Mullin is placing his mark on this team. He said that Mullin wants hard work and passion for the game to be a hallmark of the Warriors, and that Adonal Foyle represents exactly what he's trying to achieve.

 

...as opposed to signing Dampier again and watching him sleep walk through games until his contract year again...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Casske:</div><div class="quote_post">
But, what I really liked was what was said after that, that this is another way Mullin is placing his mark on this team. He said that Mullin wants hard work and passion for the game to be a hallmark of the Warriors, and that Adonal Foyle represents exactly what he's trying to achieve.</div>
Yeah, I thought that was one of the reasons. Foyle has been really loyal, plays his heart out, and he's a good member of the community. If you have him on your team its like having Reggie Miller. He's a leader and he's incredibly smart. In fact, don't be suprised if he wears the "C" on his uniform after NVE gets moved.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">This was a smart move by the Warriors. Two seasons ago, Adonal put up monster numbers in limited time for the Warriors. He's a great rebounder and shotblocker, and he can hold his own against the other big men in the league. With starter minutes, I expect him to average close to a double double, along with 3 blocks per game. He gives the Warriors a defensive presence in the paint and doesn't need plays run for him on offense to score. I like the Warriors bringing him back over Dampier, because I'm still skeptical Dampier is going to get lazy after cashing in from last year's performance. What a team signing him doesn't realize, is he didn't have to share time with Adonal Foyle and Murphy for a majority of the season. This allowed Dampier to put up some big time stats, but he has not shown a history of being able to play at a high level night in and night out. Adonal Foyle is capable of putting up the same numbers as Dampier for less money, and he's younger. His addition gives the Warriors insurance for if / when they lose Dampier, and it gives Biedrins time to develop against one of the better big men defenders in the league. It's also nice to see Cohan open the wallet book up to re-sign a solid free agent.</div>
Yeah I thought it was a smart move to. Not only because Foyle's impact on defense and solid production in limited minutes, but the clear message Mullin was sending to the rest of the warriors roster that will be in their contract year next season. I think Mullin's message to the rest of the young players was that if you show a good attitude, you show loyalty, you show dedication and work ethic, you will be taken care of. I think that's what needed to be done. If you've got a solid core that is dedicated and makes each other better both on and off the court, you got a competitive team right there.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">I think Mullin's message to the rest of the young players was that if you show a good attitude, you show loyalty, you show dedication and work ethic, you will be taken care of.</div>

I think thats a good policy. Way to go Mullin.

 

You guys overpaid Foyle...He averaged 3 points and 3 boards a game...You guys should have taken that 8 million a year and try to make a run at Okur, or Wallace...They both are better then Foyle...Anyway this is a little off topic but I'm trying to run a fanasy GM and the Warriors aren't taken yet...check the link in my signature! :mrgreen:

 

Conceptually, you're right, those would have been good signings. Practically, though, those FA attempts were impossible. Okur had already committed to the Jazz by the time Foyle agreed, and Rasheed wants to play somewhere that his family wants to go for a long time. Even though the Bay Area is a nice place to live, the Warriors don't inspire the same kind of mojo as the Knicks, for example.

I signed up for the W's, even though I'm not big on making trades. We'll see what goes, I guess.

 

Tom (KC, MO): Have GMs gone insane? The Hedo deal with the Magic, Skip to my Lou in Toronto, GS reupping with Foyle (even the Nash deal) all seemed to be a little pricey. Is this just a case of teams having too much cap room for a less than great FA class?

Chad Ford: (1:52 PM ET ) Exactly. I'm not sure it's insanity. Teams are impatient. They have needs. They want to lock up guys before they shop themselves around. I agree with you, however, the deals this season seem awfully high. But with so much cash on the market you knew someone was going to overpay. With that said . . . Adonal Foyle for $42 million? Please

 

All those doubters who think Foyle was over paid based on his previous performance are going to be saying later on how good of a bargain he was. Yes, 3pts per game is insane to sign for $6m per year. But if his production goes up to 10-12pts, 8-10reb and 2-3 blks per game, they will all be saying he is well worth it. Even if he produces like Damps worst years, he will still be a bargain compared to Damps old contract.

 

There's no question that Foyle was signed based on what he did prior to last year and what Mullin expects him to do with starter's minutes. And I agree that Mullin is setting a precedent that the Warriors will pay a premium for character guys, but he still overpaid. And, I think its going to hurt them when it comes to signing their young guys to extensions.

While the team can easily handle the extra 1-2 mil a year they overpaid for Foyle, the Warriors are going to have big problems when it comes to negotiating the extensions for Murphy and Richardson. Fegan is going to try and squeeze every nickel out of Mullin and I'm sure he'll try and use Foyle's contract to his advantage.

Before Foyle's contract was signed, I would have expected Murphy to resign for about 6 mil a year and Richardson to resign for 7-7.5 a year, because that's what comparable guys around the league would be making in '05/'06. But Fegan is going to demand that his guys get a couple mil more than Foyle because they should be two of the Warriors top guys next year (I'm predicting a huge year from Murphy). So now instead of 6 for Murphy and 7-7.5 for Richardson, I'm expecting Fegan to demand extensions in the range of 7-7.5 for Murphy and 8.5 or so for Richardson, with the increase based solely on Foyle's contract.

So now, instead of just overpaying Foyle 1-2 mil a year, Mullin may have just made a mistake that will cost 5-6 mil a year (and even more if Dunleavy and Pietrus' agents smell the same blood in the water).

Of course this is all just worst case scenario, doomsday stuff, but it is a realistic concern. The best thing we can hope for now is a HUGE year out of Foyle that would justify the contract. If he can manage a double double with 2.5-3 bpg, I think he'll justify that contract.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting wtwalker77:</div><div class="quote_post"> If he can manage a double double with 2.5-3 bpg, I think he'll justify that contract.</div>

Exactly

 

All of it makes me nervous, but I guess its better than being desperate and playing without a true center.