Foyle On Waivers List

<div class="quote_poster">Warriorfansnc93 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Ok, so let me see if I got this all right....

We had basically 2 options

1. Keep Foyle for 1 year until his deal became an expiring contract and then use this as a nice trade chip for some team that wants a ton of salary cap space to make a run at a big time free agent.

2. Pay $5-6m/yr for 3 years for a player that is not even on the team but opens up a roster space

Hmm, which would I have chosen... Option 1 sounds much better to me...</div>

That's my thought exactly. I keep thinking i'm missing something

 

You are all forgetting about the whole "exorcising the demons of the past" advantage here.

 

^Although that's true, it would be better to possibly trade him and get someone in return then just pay him.

 

Say someone signs him..... imagine ..... are we still liable for that 6 million a year or is that sum reduced?

 

We would have been paying him anyway. Actually, if we had kept him, we would have paid him MORE MONEY. And we all saw that Nellie wouldn't give him the time of day.

Either way, Foyle was getting paid to NOT PLAY. At least this way, we save a few mils and open up a space.

And Run made a good point in that, due to our contract situations with Monta/Beans, we probably would have just kept Foyle until his deal ran out. Why trade him to a team and give them cap relief when we could just keep him, let him expire, and enjoy the cap relief ourselves?

So the options were:

1.) Pay Foyle in FULL to sit on the bench until his contract expires, and then reap the benefits of the cap relief.

2.) Pay Foyle in PART to just go home until his contract expires, and then reap the benefits of the cap relief. We also get an extra roster spot.

 

Hey, there's always the chance someone decides to claim him off waivers and eat his contract for us...

 

I'm not sure how I feel about this move. On the one hand the W's get all the advantages pointed out in this thread, and on the other hand, I need a new sig.

 

^lol Gohn. Don't be surprised to see Orlando make a move to sign him.

 

^We just need another big. I don't see Orlando signing him to a big deal anyways. If he does sign him the minimum, then the signing is solid. We could actually start for us. We do play Shaq quite a bit unless he's injured.

 

"Adonal Foyle makes 60 million, to sit on the bench and wave to children, this is why, this is why he hot"



Seriously though, whoever signed him to that deal needs a life ban from holding any position within the NBA.

 

<div class="quote_poster">DTKennedy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Excellently well said...love the word suckitude LOL. I still wonder if it would have been better to keep him until his expiring deal became a big asset, but whatever. We do need some roster space.</div> Yeah, I agree because we need a faster big man that can play like a big man more than anything. We had bigs that played like small forwards and that sucks against big guys who have skill and are athletic.

I'm also not sure how Mullin and Baron talked about that extension on Baron's contract... In that case we do need more space for future Bdiddy salary and also with the additions of Beans and Monta. I'm guessing Mullin does want to see how well Baron's body can hold up in a single season and if Monta should be re-signed to replace an oft-injured Baron or signed and traded to get another player. If Baron's body doesn't hold up, we may have to go over to Ellis or find a scoring point guard that can really run a team.

 

<div class="quote_poster">NTC Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">"Adonal Foyle makes 60 million, to sit on the bench and wave to children, this is why, this is why he hot"



Seriously though, whoever signed him to that deal needs a life ban from holding any position within the NBA.</div>

We'll see if Chris Mullin is a one-hit wonder. When the W's made the playoffs it was exciting because it was improbable to me to finish as closely as we did (2 games out of failing to reach the playoffs), but part of me was like... "it's about damn time!". It was beginning to be hopeless with all the bad signings and impact guys that left our team. But all the team needed was just on-court/off-court team chemistry, heart, versatile skillset with an athletic/quickness advantage and players that compliment each other. Now we need size, because we'll be stuck at where we left off at run TMC back in the 80's-90's if we don't get more bulk at the 4 or 5. Beans is great, but he's only 220 lbs in Nelson's house.

 

I'm glad we saved a bunch of money but he really was pretty decent for a backup big. I was much more comfortable with him than Kosta, who I don't think will ever be an NBA caliber player, or POB, who shows flashes but seems like he doesn't want to be there. At least we knew Foyle would hustle and try hard, even if he wasn't very talented. Which brings me to my point. I think we need another proven capable backup, even at the expense of one of those guys or Lasme. What do you guys think about Juwan Howard? We can probably get him for nothing, just the trade exception, his contract is short and reasonable, and I think he can do well in Nelly's system.

 

My guess would be Boston or Orlando. I almost feel at tears. Foyle was the real pro and he worked his ass off despite mediocre skills. We will miss you.

My tribute to Foyle: (Written in June)


?WE WANT FOYLE! WE WANT FOYLE! WE WANT FOYLE!? 20,000 fans yell at the Oracle Arena during Game 6 of the NBA Playoffs, the Golden State Warriors vs. the favorites to win the Finals Dallas Mavericks. The Warriors are winning the series 3-2, and there are less than 2 minutes left in the game, and it is clear the Warriors are moving on the next round. Right now, it?s garbage time for the players, all the players who don?t play often get their shots in right now. The crowd demands Adonal Foyle. Foyle is in his 9th year at the NBA level, and has been a Warrior his whole career. This is his first NBA playoff experience. Despite being a starter for the previous two years on a mediocre Golden State team, and being demoted under new coach Don Nelson, the fans love Foyle. When Foyle strips off his white and blue warm ups and checks into the game, the crowd goes nuts and you can barely hear the buzzer signifying that Foyle can check in. The crowd now can go home pleased, the Warriors are going on to the next round, and they got to see the legendary Foyle play. Through analytical fans of the game, he is know as an overpaid back up center who?s only skill is on the defensive end. The Warriors fans know better though, than to judge him only on his playing skills.

Adonal Foyle was born on March 9, 1975 on the island of Canouan, in the country of St. Vincent and the Grenadines. For 15 years, Foyle lived with his grandmother and great-aunt in a house with an indoor bathroom and an outdoor kitchen with no electricity. Foyle was raised as a working boy, not going to school, doing his work gardening peanuts and doing chores around the house. At age 15, Adonal Foyle first started playing basketball. That same year, in the summer, Dr. Jay and Joan Mandle, both professors at Colgate University (Jay Mandle is the professor of economics at Colgate, and Joan Mandle is the professor emeritus of sociology at Colgate) were in the Caribbean Island of Canouan and were refereeing a game of pick up basketball. While watching and officiating the game, they were immensely impressed by Adonal Foyle?s raw basketball skills and height.

After speaking to Foyle, the Mandles found out that Foyle was not only a great basketball player, but he was incredibly smart and had a high level of intellect. Eventually, the Mandles offered Foyle the opportunity to go to the United States with them to compete for a basketball scholarship as well as being adopted by the Mandles. When Foyle agreed, he went straight to high school in the United States for two years. At the end of his high school career, he was offered a scholarship by almost every major college basketball powerhouse. (Kansas, Duke, University of North Carolina, UCLA etc.) Foyle ended up making his decision not by the basketball program, but by choosing the school were he could learn the most. He ended up choosing Colgate University, were the Mandles both taught classes, a school not known for its Collegiate basketball program.
During his time at Colgate, Foyle set the NCAA all time shot blocking record as well as the all time shot blocking record for a season. During his final year, his junior year, he led the nation in points and rebounds and entered his name for the NBA draft. In the summer of 1997, he was picked by the Golden State Warriors and was bought in to be a contributor for the Warriors. Sadly, Foyle never produced as well as expected, and Foyle was part of many horrendous Warriors teams.


Throughout his career as a player, Foyle has made himself well known for his work off the court and once received the prestigious Change Agent Award, an award given by the Greenlining Institute (a Berkley based non profit organization for advocacy, public policy, and research whose mission statement is "works to improve the quality of life for low-income and minority communities.") for his commitment to campaign finance reform for his work in his nonpartisan, nonprofit group, Democracy Matters. Twice, the NBA has given Foyle recognition for his work off the court by giving him the ?Community Assist Award.? In 2005, when the great Tsunami in Indonesia, India, and Thailand hit Sri Lanka (Foyle?s girlfriend?s home) Foyle set up an auction for a complete dinner, tour, and visit of Foyle?s home for in which all the proceeds would go to the Kerosene Lamp Foundation. (the Kerosene Lamp Foundation helps promote the values of healthy living and a good education in the United States and the Eastern Caribbean. The Kerosene Lamp Foundation was formed by Foyle) as well as other charities that were for the recovery of Sri Lanka.


During 2001, Foyle, with the help of his father, Dr. Jay Mandle, formed his non profit political organization, Democracy Matters. Democracy Matters is devoted to organizing college students around campaign reform. Democracy Matters now has 84 chapters across the country in college campuses, all of which are devoted to trying to get people to support Clean Elections. Clean Elections, are elections where the campaign funding is paid for by the public. This way it gives any citizen a good chance of being elected regardless of whether they have friends in the industry who are willing to shell out big bucks to them. Often times, with many corrupt politicians, the private financers will tell the candidate what he has to say or else he will lose funding. This is exactly what Democracy Matters is trying to stop, which is a big step to making elections a fair choice for not only the candidates, but voters as well and leaving the financer?s money vote out of the elections. Here is a quote from one Foyle?s speeches; So What Does NBA Basketball Have To Do With Campaign Finance Anyway?

I founded Democracy Matters to give students a voice in the growing movement on campaign finance reform. I believe for this movement to be successful we need the creativity, enthusiasm, and presence of students.
Now let's look at what NBA basketball has to do with campaign finance reform.
There is no buying your way into the NBA with money. You are good enough or not; and that is the bottom line. The same holds true once you are in the league. As veteran athletes, we never have the security of resting on our laurels. At any point in our career, we can lose our job to a younger or superior player. To stay in the NBA, players like myself need to improve and find ways to continue to compete - and win -- against serious challengers.
In my case, this means that even during the off season you will find me doing everything from running several miles a day, going to a big man's camp to work on my offensive moves, or finding a league where I can play against players who will challenge me to get better. Incumbent players may have a slight advantage because they are more experienced and understand better how the system works. But despite the fact that rookies are prone to the blunders of inexperience, it is their talent -- not money or connections -- that will determine whether they unseat an incumbent for a spot on a team. The opportunity to bring performance to the table and be judged solely on that basis represents the ideal of justice an ideal that is approximated in the world of professional basketball.
A player who has the ability to make it to the NBA can come from anywhere. I myself was raised on a tiny island in the Caribbean with a population of about five hundred people. There I did not even have the luxury of watching basketball on TV, because we had no electricity. My idea of professional sports was spending a week listening to a cricket match on a small transistor radio. I had never seen or touched a basketball until I moved to a nearby island to go to high school when I was fifteen. When I finally discovered basketball, none of my friends or I could afford to buy sneakers or even a ball. We played barefoot, moving as quickly as we could so that the sun did not roast our feet on the hot concrete court. When we were able to find someone with a ball, we had to be really careful not to call a foul on the owner, because if we did, he would get mad and take his ball and go home.
The only criterion for entrance is athletic prowess. So long as he or she is deemed able to play at the highest level, they will get that chance.
In very much the same way, politics should give all of our gifted and talented citizens an equal chance to compete to serve in political life. They must be given this opportunity without the interference of wealth or connections, but on the basis of their talents. Incumbents too should face real challenges. Elected politicians must be able to stay in office if and only if they are more in tune with the needs of their constituencies and if they continue to demonstrate that they are on the cutting edge of political creativity. Their re-election should not be determined by the fact that they have access to more money and connections than their challengers.

When you think of Adonal Foyle?s life, his story is truly unique. He was living in poverty for 15 years and happened to be adopted by two American professors who were able to give him a chance to make a living playing basketball in America. He was offered to play for the best basketball universities in the country, but he passed it up to be a student at a college known for its academic success, Colgate. Since being drafted by the Warriors almost 10 years ago, Foyle has been one of the most politically active basketball players in the history of the NBA and has done much to help improve the community. Foyle views his career as a basketball player as not only an opportunity to do what he loves, but to make a voice for himself and be a role model for many, and a hero for me. Why do I consider him a hero? He fights for what he believes in, he gives lots of money to charity, and works for the common people. Although he isn?t the star of any basketball team, looking at him roam the bench, hearing the famous, ?WE WANT FOYLE!? makes me happy knowing that fans can appreciate such a great person and not judge him off his basketball talent, but for who he is, and what he does.

As an NBA player, my responsibility is not only to try to do my job on the court or to be a good citizen in the world of basketball. I am involved in the union as the player representative for my team, because I believe that player's rights should not be violated by powerful owners. Whether or not, as professional athletes, we consider ourselves to be role models, the fact is that what we do as is observed closely by the society at large. I believe that we have a moral responsibility to help to bring awareness of injustice to the public and to help correct it. That's why I am involved in the movement for campaign finance reform - why I think that public financing campaign reform is vital to democracy. Democracy Matters, in particular, can help repair our political system by bringing young people together to fight the corrupting effect of private money in politics.

Adonal Foyle

 

Wow. I didn't know (all of) that about him. Maybe he can find a desk job with the league?

 

Foyle definitely didn't belong here, but he was definitely a gentleman in taking a 66% buyout as he's always been. Most players negotiate for a 75-85% buyout, since they hold most of the negotiating cards on the table. Of course since it's before the season, he could theoretically find a deal worth more than the amount he sacrificed, but it's really doubtful for Foyle compared to some of the other players who've accepted buyouts.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Wild Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wow. I didn't know (all of) that about him. Maybe he can find a desk job with the league? </div>

No doubt Foyle's an intellectual. I never had a problem with Foyle off court and he gave interesting interviews. However, he didn't seem to have great basketball IQ in common sense terms. The latest of which is he looks like he bulked up and put on too much muscle if not fat. I think it was fat when Monty was coach.

PS I just noticed we got the same quote in our sig. Did you have it first? I'll take mine's off if you did.