<div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, I can see the Darko comparison -- He can also stretch the D and hit the outside jumper like Darko, if needed... [/sarcasm]</div> Man, you're killing me. Anyways, Darko wasn't used correctly with us anyways and he wasn't shooting jumpers for us.
<div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Hes never really had a passion for basketball, hes a great guy in general but as far as basketball he really just shows up, gets his paycheck, and goes home.</div> I think the year under Nelson pretty much ruined his expectations of playing a significant role on a winning team. I think Foyle is an extremely dynamic human being with a lot of passion for everything he does. He is the consumate philanthropist. It just turned out that his physical attributes (for basketball) were not up to par with his mental attributes. He's jaded, but understands his role and will give 100% of his abilities (which happen to be not so great) in a game. I believe he has trained hard -- if you remember, he was slotted as the starting center in 2005 under Montgomery -- but now realizes that training hard won't bring him PT and subsequent progress because of it. He never did make drastic progress throughout his career, and I believe this year under Nellie was the nail in the coffin. Good luck to Foyle...the next Governor of CA
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Great role model for Dwight Howard. Last season Howard lead all centers in turnovers per game with 3.9. Having Foyle show him how to fumble passes, should allow Howard to get into the 4.0+ territory.</div> I vote this as one of the candidates for the post of next season (PONS). I'll be keeping a close eye on Dwight Howard now that Foyle is there.
If you consider who our backup bigs are right now, then you would realize why the Magic needed to sign someone like Foyle. We have James Augustine and Marcin Gortat who have combined for 2 NBA games and a total of 7 minutes of garbage NBA action. Our other backup is Pat Garrity. We aren't expecting Adonal Foyle to go out there and dominate or anything, but he certainly gives us a little more experienced depth and will block a few shots. I'd rather have Foyle starting when Battie inevitably gets hurt then Gortat or Augustine who have virtually ZERO experience. So basically this is a good move for the Magic not based on talent, but based on the lack of depth at the position. Oh and it's not like we're paying him $8 mil a season or whatever you guys were paying him.
Gatorswon, no use discussing the past on this, but I will look forward to the NEW Adonal Foyle vids on youtube . Foyle's missed dunk (saw a couple of those live) and over the backboard videos have become classics.
<div class="quote_poster">GatorsowntheNCAA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If you consider who our backup bigs are right now, then you would realize why the Magic needed to sign someone like Foyle.</div> Yes, you needed to sign Foyle. Badly. That was a clutch signing. Now that you have your veteran center to hold down the fort, would Orlando consider giving the Warriors Augustine or Gortat? We just need someone who can actually play basketball. We've had no back-up center the last several years. Just a 7-foot water-boy.
<div class="quote_poster">jason voorhees Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Gatorswon, no use discussing the past on this, but I will look forward to the NEW Adonal Foyle vids on youtube . Foyle's missed dunk (saw a couple of those live) and over the backboard videos have become classics.</div> Look man he's only going to play selective minutes for us anyways. He isn't gonig to even get the ball on offense. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AlleyOop:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes, you needed to sign Foyle. Badly. That was a clutch signing. Now that you have your veteran center to hold down the fort, would Orlando consider giving the Warriors Augustine or Gortat? We just need someone who can actually play basketball. We've had no back-up center the last several years. Just a 7-foot water-boy.</div> Why would the Warriors want to receiver either Augustine or Gortat? They haven't any minutes in the NBA. You are saying you want an inexperienced player over Foyle?
<div class="quote_poster">CLos Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You are saying you want an inexperienced player over Foyle?</div> I'm saying I want anything over Foyle.
<div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> I'm saying I want anything over Foyle.</div> Wow. The guy isn't Pat Garrity. At least Adonal Foyle is a defensive presence.
<div class="quote_poster">CLos Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wow. The guy isn't Pat Garrity. At least Adonal Foyle is a defensive presence.</div> No, it's just that he gave this team absolutely ZERO -- 0 -- production last year. He initially refused to take a buyout a year ago, even though he knew he was way over paid and not going to see playing time. Despite being a "class act," he still complained about Nellie and his role with the team. He disgraced his teammates by refusing to take warm-ups seriously -- rather than work on passing, post moves, or free throws, he'd joke around like a globetrotter or shoot half-court bombs that would nearly take his teammates heads off. I was at a Clipper game in February in LA. During time-out huddles, did Foyle join the circle to hear what coach had to say? No. He sat on the sidelines joking with some fans., not even pretending that he was getting paid MILLIONS and that this was his job to take the game seriously. Was he prepared if Nellie needed him in the 4th? No. During the playoffs against Dallas, I was courtside. Matt Barnes was trying to practice free throws before the game. Foyle, like a 12 year old kid, was giggling and lobbing half-court shots that wold SLAM off the backboard or air-ball and nearly hit Barnes in the head. It was a slap in the face to every child who has ever dreamed of being a pro athlete. Anything over Foyle.
<div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No, it's just that he gave this team absolutely ZERO -- 0 -- production last year. He initially refused to take a buyout a year ago, even though he knew he was way over paid and not going to see playing time. Despite being a "class act," he still complained about Nellie and his role with the team. He disgraced his teammates by refusing to take warm-ups seriously -- rather than work on passing, post moves, or free throws, he'd joke around like a globetrotter or shoot half-court bombs that would nearly take his teammates heads off. I was at a Clipper game in February in LA. During time-out huddles, did Foyle join the circle to hear what coach had to say? No. He sat on the sidelines joking with some fans., not even pretending that he was getting paid MILLIONS and that this was his job to take the game seriously. Was he prepared if Nellie needed him in the 4th? No. During the playoffs against Dallas, I was courtside. Matt Barnes was trying to practice free throws before the game. Foyle, like a 12 year old kid, was giggling and lobbing half-court shots that wold SLAM off the backboard or air-ball and nearly hit Barnes in the head. It was a slap in the face to every child who has ever dreamed of being a pro athlete. Anything over Foyle.</div> Who would honestly take a buyout? I mean it's not his fault he got overpaid. Didn't the Warriors overpay him?? Yes, you're right, he didn't play. But isn't that Nellie's fault?? The Warriors went to a more up-tempo game last season. He obviously wasn't gonna play in the 4th if he didn't play in any of the other quarters. You say anything over Foyle?? So you would accept Pat Garrity over Adonal Foyle?
<div class="quote_poster">CLos Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">He obviously wasn't gonna play in the 4th if he didn't play in any of the other quarters.</div> That's the whole point. It's not his prerogative to make that judgment. It's his job to do everything he can to prepare himself to play. It's like if you work at a restaurant, and you say "oh, I don't think we'll get any customers tonight, so I'm not going to set the tables." It's not your call. You get paid to set the tables and serve the guests. Your job is to be prepared. Foyle gets paid to do everything humanly possible to prepare himself to play. He gets paid MILLIONS to do this. He doesn't get paid millions to say "oh, well if you think you're going to play tonight, then go ahead and warm-up your free throws and stretch a bit. Or, if you don't think you're going to play, the just have a cheeseburger and play XBox in the locker-room." If I was a pro-athlete, I'd do EVERYTHING I could to let the coach, the organization, and ESPECIALLY my teammates and our fans, that I was ready to play, that I had come to work, clocked in, and was ready to do whatever I was needed to do. I mean hey, they're giving me millions of dollars to come to work... the least I could to do is WORK. Foyle boycotting the huddle is a joke. It's a shame. It's a disgrace to anyone who dreams of being in his position, getting paid millions to play a child's game. a GAME. We all pay HUGE dollars to come out and watch these guys play, and by avoiding that huddle, Foyle was basically flipping the bird to all of his team's loyal fans. Plus, he's just about the WORST basketball player ever in the history of the game. Yes I'd take Garrity over Foyle. I'd take Garrity in a wheel-chair over Foyle. Alas, I am relieved, though, because he's finally gone. And now, we pass him on to you. You have your veteran presence in the locker room. He can teach all your young players how to be stand-up citizens, and stand-down professionals. Improve their democratic knowledge; sabotage their basketball knowledge. Show them the ways of being over-weight and under-prepared. How to block a teammate's shot, and how to tip-in the shot of an opposing player. How to fight for loose balls... with your own teammates. How to sound like a class act in an interview; how to act with no class behind the scenes. Oh I can't wait until we play the Magic, lol.
<div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That's the whole point. It's not his prerogative to make that judgment. It's his job to do everything he can to prepare himself to play. It's like if you work at a restaurant, and you say "oh, I don't think we'll get any customers tonight, so I'm not going to set the tables." It's not your call. You get paid to set the tables and serve the guests. Your job is to be prepared. Foyle gets paid to do everything humanly possible to prepare himself to play. He gets paid MILLIONS to do this. He doesn't get paid millions to say "oh, well if you think you're going to play tonight, then go ahead and warm-up your free throws and stretch a bit. Or, if you don't think you're going to play, the just have a cheeseburger and play XBox in the locker-room." If I was a pro-athlete, I'd do EVERYTHING I could to let the coach, the organization, and ESPECIALLY my teammates and our fans, that I was ready to play, that I had come to work, clocked in, and was ready to do whatever I was needed to do. I mean hey, they're giving me millions of dollars to come to work... the least I could to do is WORK. Foyle boycotting the huddle is a joke. It's a shame. It's a disgrace to anyone who dreams of being in his position, getting paid millions to play a child's game. a GAME. We all pay HUGE dollars to come out and watch these guys play, and by avoiding that huddle, Foyle was basically flipping the bird to all of his team's loyal fans. Plus, he's just about the WORST basketball player ever in the history of the game. Yes I'd take Garrity over Foyle. I'd take Garrity in a wheel-chair over Foyle.Alas, I am relieved, though, because he's finally gone. And now, we pass him on to you. You have your veteran presence in the locker room. He can teach all your young players how to be stand-up citizens, and stand-down professionals. Improve their democratic knowledge; sabotage their basketball knowledge. Show them the ways of being over-weight and under-prepared. How to block a teammate's shot, and how to tip-in the shot of an opposing player. How to fight for loose balls... with your own teammates. How to sound like a class act in an interview; how to act with no class behind the scenes. Oh I can't wait until we play the Magic, lol. </div> First off, do you even know who Pat Garrity is?? Pat Garrity is only a 3-pt specialist and he can't even shoot anymore. At least Foyle has Defense. Yeah worst basketball player in history?? Is that why the Warriors were stupid enough to resign him and throw money at him?? We don't need a veteran presence in the locker room. That's overrated anyways. Everyone thought that Grant Hill was a positive influence on the team to but he was a loner. We don't need Foyle to do that for us. Just be a solid backup and play good defense against Shaq. And what makes you guys think you'll be the Magic anyways?? Is Al Harrington going to **** on Foyle??
Hey AO, it's 2 different positions we're talking about and obviously we can't use one or the other at any same position. One is a center, one is a forward, and they both are role players with plenty of things that they suck at when it comes to the nba. Probably Garrity was more valuable overall because he was a 3 point specialist for offense. But Foyle is the guy to have when there's very few shotblock alternatives. Foyle definitely is to shotblocking as to Pat Garrity is to outside shooting, but Garrity had actually seen the playoffs a few times and contributed sometimes as a starter. I think of course Foyle is less versatile in that he cannot be used for a small ball lineup and he can't be used for a princeton offense because he sucks at passing and he can't catch and he's slightly basketball dumb too. Besides Clos has a point. If they need a different guy than Dwight Howard's current backup to risk foul trouble, Foyle is a nice guy to have to make some hustle plays and block a lot of shots to keep the inside paint honest. The only thing is, we both know that Foyle doesn't have the inside presence he used to when it comes to defensive and offensive respect (I think that got lost when Dampier left and his hands somehow got transplanted onto Foyle's already bad hands to make some kind of super bad hands. And also when Foyle's knees got so bad he could barely jump above a cracker jack... sticker...). Also, it seemed like opposing teams just don't respect Foyle that much and they will try to dunk on him despite him being one of the league's better shot blockers (even today). Foyle's timing is excellent, but he just sucks at everything else, so I hope teams are prepared for that. Plus, when he's slower now than he used to be (probably a combo of weight and older age), he's not going to cover the posts like Marcus Camby or anything. But yeah Foyle acted like a bum in warmups probably because the coach and front office didn't respect him. It hurt his feelings and I'm sure he became disillusioned as a warrior. I'm sure he had pride (which was why he took the buyout as he did), but just not as a Warrior because a normal Foyle wouldn't let that sort of stuff bother him and he would warm up normally. If you get laid off, you still have to show up for work and do the best you can do, even if the situation is really bothering you. But moods can affect that competitive and professional mentality. It makes one want to coast if the franchise doesn't seem to care for you regardless of how well they are paying. Now that he's gone, I say hey good riddance as a Warrior. As a member of the community, I really would like him to stay back in the bay area. But I'm sure if he likes Orlando a lot more, he might consider moving altogether. As bad as his hands are, his heart is really good. He had enough heart for himself, the community, and our former starting center, Erick Dampier. Sorry for the novel. BTW if I had to choose between Foyle and Garrity, I couldn't make the choice given Garrity's injuries and the fact we already have a forward in Harrington and Croshere. I would say it's like choosing between whether you want to get kicked in the left or the right buttock. No thanks to either.
<div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Pat Garrity is pure money from downtown. He's a beast.
The Laptop picture is the best. It just goes to show he watches his games on Youtube. Probably that clip of him dunking over Dalembert over and over. Garrity is, in my mind still more useful then Foyle. Because Garrity, can catch a pass, play some type of D, dunk a ball and can shoot a jumper.
<div class="quote_poster">Master Shake Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Garrity is, in my mind still more useful then Foyle. Because Garrity, can catch a pass, play some type of D, dunk a ball and can shoot a jumper.</div> Catch a pass?? From the bench?? Play Defense?? Has somebody been using Garrity on NBA 2K7? Darrell Armstrong can dunk. What does that have to do with anything? Jumper?? I don't think Garrity's made a jumper in 2 years!
<div class="quote_poster">CLos Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Catch a pass?? From the bench?? Play Defense?? Has somebody been using Garrity on NBA 2K7? Darrell Armstrong can dunk. What does that have to do with anything? Jumper?? I don't think Garrity's made a jumper in 2 years!</div> If he gets some time, he can be more effective then Foyle. Garrity will mkae a jumper, when he gets traded to a time who gives him more then 5 seconds a night.
