<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_fan:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, Kobe has only had one year without Shaq so I wouldn't really say that. However, Terminator X, I would say this: Shaq's best years = with Kobe, and that is a fact. As far as the topic is concerned, Kevin Garnett is the player to build around. He is the only player in the world who hasn't won a championship, that I could call a superstar. Kevin is easy to build around. You could put up 4 other mediocre players with him and you'll make it deep into the playoff's. He can play all 5 positions on the court and be dominent in every position apart from the C, where he will probably be the 5th most dominent C in the NBA. He has no flaws at all! He is unselfish, a team player, he can shoot well, he's aggressive, plays defence, shuts down his man, tall, agile, the most versatile player in the NBA, powerful on a bad night will score 15 and rebound 8, passionate, not injury prone, puts up 20+ points per game and doesn't do this while slowing down the game. Tim Duncan has only got the three rings because he had the admiral and has had better players that do play better than their opponents. KG has't had that privelage. Kevin Garnett is a true warrior and is the best player in the NBA without question. Sure he's a bit older now, but he still has 5 more years of dominance left in him. Give him the right role-players, that don't need to be so expensive and you'll have 3 rings in the 5 years.</div> Garnett's weakness is his strength and lack of body weight..he weights 220.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheAnswer2:</div><div class="quote_post">Garnett's weakness is his strength and lack of body weight..he weights 220.</div> Are you serious? Garnett lacks strength? Thats a first. I've never seen Garnett been bullied by another PF.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_fan:</div><div class="quote_post">If your talking about Latrell Spreewell, and Sam Cassell, I would say they were former all stars. They are both way past their prime. This season, Sam Cassells PPG dropped by 7 points. In alot of games, that is the decider. I also can't believe you even still consider Latrell "I need $100 million to feed my children" Spreewell. The mediocre players played like crap last season. When they were playing like mediocre players, look where they ended up? Look at the way KG took a team suffering injuries so far into the playoffs.</div> I'm talking about 03-04. Cassell was an All-Star, and Sprewell was actually playing good. EDIT: In response to the bold. Garnett has had mediocre players by his side for years, but he never made it past the first round. He needed a good player and an All-Star to make it deep in the playoffs.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm talking about 03-04. Cassell was an All-Star, and Sprewell was actually playing good. EDIT: In response to the bold. Garnett has had mediocre players by his side for years, but he never made it past the first round. He needed a good player and an All-Star to make it deep in the playoffs.</div> Sure he's had medicore players, but have they played to a medicore level?
<u>Franchise Players:</u> Great players with great talent and the ability to help elevate the play of their teammates, downplay their opponents, and impact the game in multiple ways on and off the court Shaquille O'Neal: The most physically dominant force in the game since Wilt Chamberlain. His presence offensively and defensively alters the state of games like only a handful of players in league history. Tim Duncan: A walking basketball textbook, TD's game is simple and basic with an emphasis on dominance. Kevin Garnett: The most versatile talent in the game, KG is a freak of nature with the height of a center, the athleticism of a small forward and the skills of a guard. In terms of overall talent, no one is better than KG. Tracy McGrady: T-Mac is an unstoppable one on one scorer with versatile skills. His overabundant amount of natural talent gives him the ability to do what ever he wants to on the court. Kobe Bryant: The true heir apparent to Michael Jordan, Kobe is the closest the league is ever going to get to MJ in this era. Like McGrady, Kobe is an unstoppable scorer with the complete package of skills. Lebron James: The NBA's new Golden Child, LBJ is the centerpeice of the NBA's new <u>Basketball Society</u>(a pun off of former American President Lyndon Baines Johnson, also called LBJ for you historians, whose social programs led to his term to be called the Great Society in the 1960's ), along with Carmelo Anthony and Dwayne Wade. A freakish talent along the likes of Kevin Garnett, a point guard in a power forward's body with small forward versatility. Jason Kidd: Although not a great scorer and go to player, Jason's ability to lift his team with his passing and chemistry is the reason why he is here. He is a versatile talent within the team concept that elevates his team to the next level al'a the Net's 2002 and 2003 Finals appearances. <u>Great Players:</u> Players with great talent which allows them to put up huge numbers and make an impact on the team, but not enough to carry a team deep into the playoffs and/or the championship by themselves. Stephon Marbury Steve Nash(Great impact, but not neccessarily a great talent) Ray Allen Carmelo Anthony Paul Pierce Steve Francis Manu Ginobili Ben Wallace Rasheed Wallace Vince Carter Baron Davis Dwayne Wade Chris Webber(Could have been a franchise player) Amare Stoudamire(Has the potential to be a Franchise player) Dirk Nowitski Mike Bibby Allen Iverson Shawn Marion Pau Gasol <u>Good Players: </u> Players with solid talent, but are greatly overrated due to either being one or two dimensional talents, or have attitudinal or internal limitations that keep them from being better. Kenyon Martin Tony Parker Richard Hamiliton Peja Stojakovic Joe Johnson Yao Ming(Has the potential, but is yet to be fulfilled)
I disagree with some of your list selections (I think Amare is a franchise player and JKidd isn't a franchise player) and definitely not the definition you have for franchise player... <div class="quote_poster">Quoting The Show:</div><div class="quote_post"><u>Great Players:</u> Players with great talent which allows them to put up huge numbers and make an impact on the team, but not enough to carry a team deep into the playoffs and/or the championship by themselves.</div> Kobe and KG didn't even make it into the playoffs this year. By your very own definition these 2 players are not franchise players because they didn't make the playoffs. But we all know that they're really franchise players. So I think you just not even mention the definitions.
Kobe and KG are definately franchise players. But even they need a solid sidekick and a good supporting cast to win a championship. That how championships are won. Not alone. Perhaps only Wilt could ever win a title by himself considering he scored more than half his teams points. LOL
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SupraJames:</div><div class="quote_post">I disagree with some of your list selections (I think Amare is a franchise player and JKidd isn't a franchise player) and definitely not the definition you have for franchise player...</div> Amare doesn't really elevate the play of his teammates. I think he will be a superstar sometime soon, but just not yet. Kidd is on the decline but he is still a great player that definately makes his teammates better.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_fan:</div><div class="quote_post">Sure he's had medicore players, but have they played to a medicore level?</div> What?? Terrell Brandon was good, Marbury was a great young player, Gugliotta I believe was an all star during Garnett's first or second year. Anything else?
