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Defensive rankings are all over the place as there is no real good measure other than the eye test. Do you think Patty Mills is a better defender than Avery Bradley, Rajon Rondo and Klay Thompson? They are all rated below Mills.

 

McCollum's extension didn't come into effect against the cap till the following year.

 

Holy lord, you could not be further from the truth my friend

 

and yet you didn't address the players that I said were listed on an NBA website as inferior defenders to Patty Mills? Do you think they are inferior defenders to Mills?

 

Exactly. But that is why we wouldn't have been able to roll the space over.

By giving and extension fall of '16, they had no chance to have money to play with July 1 of 2017.

If Portland would've not signed AC, Turner, Meyers, & CJ (or just signed someone for 1 year deals like they ALMOST did with Ezeili) -> they could've had approximately $25M to play with last summer when there were lots of good options available.

 

Patty Mills is 87th among point guards in DRPM. He’s literally one of the worst in the NBA. where are you getting your stats from buddy. Just stop while you’re way behind. You’re wrong. Flat out. Sorry

 

I’m honestly not trying to be an asshole , and I’m willing to admit I say a lot of stupid shit and I’m wrong a LOT. but to deny analytics and then to say the eye test is the only way to measure defense is absolutely asinine.

It’s a literal fact that Ball is one of the best defenders in the NBA at the PG position

 

You just made my point. Defensive rankings are all over the place depending on what site you want to use. I arbitrarily just chose one site to look at and that's how it came out. These are facts so they can't be disputed right?

https://www.foxsports.com/nba/stats...&pos=1&team=0&qual=1&sortOrder=0&opp=0&page=2

In this one, Lillards defensive rating is better than Balls.

https://stats.nba.com/players/defen...18&SeasonType=Regular Season&PlayerPosition=G

 

When they signed CJ to the extension the cap space was already gone, so I don't know how delaying his extension would have helped.

If you're saying that they shouldn't have signed anyone OR signed CJ to an extension that summer, then that's pretty absurd.

They had a bunch of money to spend the year before even after adding Aminu/Davis, and ended up not using it. But that team was young and rebuilding. If they’d have not spent cap space in 2016, following the surprise year they just had, this message board would have been as pissed as it is right now.

How do you think the fanbase would have reacted to not spending 25+m in cap space?

Not to mention they only had 7 players under contract so they had to do something. And once the cap space was used it made total sense to do the extension. CJ would have been getting the max the next year so signing the extension when we did eliminated the possibility of a poison pill contract or letting some other team determine the details of the contract.

It’s easy to play monday morning quarterback now…

 

The problem with 2016 was not only was the per year numbers insane, they signed all those guys for 4 years. Think about that, even if the numbers per year were the same and those were two year deals were all speaking a lot differently.

 

All defensive rating is is points allowed per 100 possession when a given player is on the floor. It is not a good indication of individual defense. In fact, it’s much more reflective of the defensive efficiency of the unit that a given player plays most with. It’s no surprise Dame’s defensive rating greatly improved this season, we added Jusuf Nurkic who has proved to be an above average defender at the center position. There are much better analytics out there.


This is a dead end argument dude. It’s not worth either of our time. We’re just going to have to agree to disagree I suppose.

 

Lonzo ball is projecting to be Ricky Rubio lite.
Saying otherwise is having blind homer-ism. Or blind hatred.


But posting you'd trade Lillard for Lonzo+Ingram or kuzma and 25-30th picks is dumb.

 

And two first round picks? That’s robbery

 

Yeah. Robbery when those two first rounders are fall around the 25 - 30th pick.
That's dumb as fuck.
top 10 pick cause Portland would suck.
And the Lakers bottom 5 pick.

Yeah robbery...

More like awful value.

 

Right, so let me just toss out a couple names and without looking up any stats. Who is the better defender, Wes Mathews or CJ McCollum? just use that great NBA knowledge you have.

 

They both suck. Wes was elite and then he suffered one of the worst injuries in basketball. I’d probably still say Wes though because of competitiveness/basketball IQ

 

That’s incredible value regardless. Two 20 yr olds both with extremely high upside and all-star potential + 2 first round picks for a 29 year old all star point guard. You’re thinking too much about right now instead of a few years from now.

You’re overvaluing Dame and undervaluing the others.

 

We were one of the best defensive teams in the NBA last year with Dame & CJ. We could win with them. It's all about putting the right people with them.

 

You should just say you hate the deal. That’s fine.

There’s value for both teams in that deal though.

 

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