Sad I have to say this, but how many children would die from the decrease in crop production.. oh, likely none? Interesting. Can't wait to hear all the other reasons the ferel hog population is more important to eradicate than these children's lives.
It's interesting that you have to keep misrepresenting my position in order to engage. Doesn't that make you question how strong your case is? Never once have I suggested locking children in school. You bring up the fire issues, even though that has been discussed at length, and proven not to be a relevant concern (same number of exits, but only one entrance). Doors locking only from the outside, but easily opening from the inside is technology we've had for a long freaking time. You claim there are a multitude of other safety issues, but haven't mentioned any. You again claim that I am opposed to gun control in general, even though I have suggested forms of gun control. I've never suggested bars on windows... I'm not sure where you dreamed that up. If this is all you have it's no wonder nothing ever gets done. The inconsistencies in these positions are numerous and blatant. So people like you will stick stubbornly to the belief that you aren't the problem, even though you're just as much a part of the stalemate as anyone. So nothing will get done and violent crime and murder of children and other innocent people will continue at much higher rates than necessary. We'll have to wait decades or longer for the improvements in education and Healthcare which will actually help the problem. It's quite disgraceful how dishonest your position has been, and how eager others have been to support it. Even though you've been proven wrong at nearly every turn. Are you going to start claiming the 7.62 and 30-06 are aren't similar again, like you know so much about guns? Even though they are universally considered equivalent calibers? I was hoping for honest conversation here and I must say I've lost some respect for you on that front. It's a shame, but it does point out exactly why kids will keep dying unnecessarily. However, I'll still be here hoping for polite conversation on the topic.
How many children would be saved by the proposals that have been made in here? Care to show me the numbers? Because the numbers I've shown on changes pre and post gun control other countries have been no better than the improvements we've had by ending the assault weapons ban here in the US. Yes, violent crime and murder rates dropped even though the assault weapons ban expired. The numbers on gun control in this country have been miserable. Not even impacting intention homicides in nearly every case. Mass murders started happening more as social media started expanding (I posted a chart on that as well), increasing the dispair in so many people in this country. And we don't have the healthcare system, education system, or social safety net to deal with that. The other countries really lowered their violent crime and murder rates after WW2, when they were largely forced to institute universal health care and universal education, and generous social safety nets. We've not done that, so of course we have much higher violent crime and murder rates. However, the greatest gains we've ever made on violent crime and murder rates, including gun crime, has been when our economy is good, and the environment is improving (ending leaded fuel), and the people are less desperate. Like from the 90s to 2008. The UK and Brazil both saw violent crime and murder rates increase after instituting gun control. As has Mexico. Russia has fewer guns than the UK, yet violent crime and murder rates 4x ours here in the US. Sure, there are large crime elements in some of these countries, but the US has like 3 of the top 10 crime syndicates in the world operating here as well. It's nice to think we could just snap our fingers and blame a specific type of gun and the problem would be solved. Or just pretend we can convince 80 million people to give up 400 million guns... But it's just not that easy. That'll take generations. Which means one side pushing to restrict the rights of all Americans while the other side refuses to allow that will likely result in many more of these kinds of killings. It's a shame that both sides accept it and are just happy to point fingers across the isle...
Police: Woman killed man who fired rifle into party crowd Authorities say a woman in West Virginia fatally shot a man who began firing an AR-15-style rifle into a crowd of people at a party https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnew...n-killed-man-fired-rifle-party-crowd-85002437
I commented what I was hoping to happen in a different post and you liked it but did not offer a comment. You've shown some stats on nothing I've mentioned that I can remember besides how these laws won't work in countries that are not America. Are they not working in individual states? Those studies would interest me more than the studies done comparing us to other countries and their gun control laws. I'm searching for answers and hopefully more laws to stop the senseless murder of our citizens and especially children. My last post was about how I think the "we need them at our current rate because they help us shoot hogs and varmint" is a stupid argument. Nothing more, nothing less. Didn't even claim you were the one making the argument, although you did bring it up. I can see why you would want to rebut with the same arguments you've been bringing forth in this thread but those have been discussed and acknowledged by me already..
Nobody made that argument, but the claim was made that nobody uses them for hunting. And that the idea of anybody using an AR for hunting was preposterous. I replied to that misinformation, that's it. They are used, and the people who use them to hunt prefer them for that purpose. I do apologize for restating the same thing over and over, but it feels necessary as my stances keep getting wrongly stated by others. So I'm trying to be overly clear. Much gun death in this country happens in states with strict gun control like California and Illinois. Where you actually do need a license to have a gun in your possession. Oregon passed universal background checks, including private parties, in 2015. Murder rates have risen every year since then, and we're getting record highs right now... https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...us-time-portland-oregon-sees-record-homicides
I own guns. HOWEVER, If guns were not permitted, I would have no reason to have a gun, and would be happy to sell them back to the country NO ONE needs an AR style gun
With other styles of guns, no one no one NEEDS any specific style of gun. What makes an AR style gun more dangerous than other modern semiautomatic rifles? How would removing it from the equation save even 1 life over other styles available? Regarding no guns, what about the 500,000 to 3 million defensive gun uses the CDC says happen every year in the USA? From wild animals to muggings, etc... Without guns small or sickly people would be at the mercy of larger people and animals.
Maybe we should just change the name of this thread to "Thoughts and prayers"? Since that's all anybody seems intersted in...
I know it's expensive. The kids are worth it. Probably an additional option we should consider. https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...t-school-in-america-with-these-tech-features/ In the wake of the mass shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, a 2018 video resurfaced this week showcasing an advanced security system at an Indiana High School dubbed “Safest School in America,” that’s designed to make it harder for armed gunmen to attack. In 2018, NBC News highlighted Southwestern High School in Indiana, which had implemented a $400,000 security system that includes bullet-resistant classroom doors, and live-streamed security cameras that can provide local emergency responders with a by-the-minute look inside a shooting. The system includes more advanced features, like a push-button fob that can be worn around each teacher’s neck, which they can use to trigger the security alarms for the entire school if they see a potential security risk. Each classroom is also paired with a box affixed with a switch that allows the classroom to indicate whether they are in immediate danger, or whether they are safe and secure. The security system also makes use of a comprehensive array of security cameras that allow both school staff and emergency services to monitor a security situation in real-time. Southwestern High School’s security system is accessible to their local sheriff’s office, located about 10 miles away. In addition to tracking where a potential gunman might be inside a school, those monitoring the security cameras can also trigger a blinding and disorienting smokescreen, called a “hot zone,” around a suspect. The security system, known as the Integrated School Defense System (ISDS), was developed by NETTALON, a Fredericksburg, Virginia-based company. In a 2018 interview with CNBC, NETTALON President Don Jones said
Assault weapons are being explicitly tied to manhood and more subtly to whiteness. Republicans are variously blaming: Teaching biology in school Single parents Covid restrictions No longer forcing students to pray in school Critical race theory Wind power "Emasculation" of men Gay people getting married Legal abortion and birth control Anything missing??? Oh yeah
I decided i am going "Wild Boar" hunting. Figured I'd get all the info i can get and the first thing I'm looking at is which of my trusty guns i should use? Well I went to Google first. Sure i know that is usually "Fake News" but i figured I'd give it a shot. Here's your Top 5 Winchester Model 94 in . 30-30. Winchester Model 70 in . 30-06. Marlin Classic Model 1895 . 45-70. Marlin Model 444 AAC Micro 7 in 300 AAC Blackout. Interesting??? I figure that can't be all so i keep looking. https://www.realtree.com/big-game-hunting/articles/top-10-hog-guns Realtree mentions the Browning as #1 but still has the old "Bolt Action" Marlin and Savage as 3 and 4 respectively. Decided to do some looking at Bill Jordan. Owner of "Realtree". Yep he has a large holding in Browning and is a member of the NRA. Now here's Outdoor Life. They put the 30-30 as number #1 but they had an interesting view of the AR type weapons. Said they were real good for hunting from a helicopter. Interesting. https://www.outdoorlife.com/great-hog-hunting-rifles-handguns-tactics/ I sure hope this has made you more comfortable with the fact that children have been slaughtered again. We wouldn't want to get sidetracked on that fact right?
Excellent post! Now, what prevents those guns from being used in mass shootings? Or do you only care about it when AR models are used?
First- You engaged me. Not the other way around. I happen to agree wholeheartedly with your mental awareness and health issues stance as well as the protection and greater security stance. We are not far apart at all. Second- I didn't misrepresent you because i didn't quote you. I discussed the first 20 pages of the thread. Third- Seems you are the only and loudest poster on this thread who seems to be against bringing forth common sense gun laws. Doesn't that make you question how strong your case is?
That is not and has never been the debate. As much as you continue to want to go there. Common Sense Gun laws and the reduction of military type weapons is what the conversation is about. Again. Discussing what caliber, look, Model or even name is not the point here.
That's true, that the "guns=man = warrior" culture that the NRA has been pushing is toxic, and violent crime problem in this country. When it was about responsibility and safety it was a legitimately good thing. Luckily it's illegal to actually buy assault weapons in the US without being subjected to a very strict and expensive permitting process which allows the ATF to randomly search your home and property at any time without cause.
