Notice From My Cold Dead Hands......

Discussion in 'Blazers OT Forum' started by THE HCP, Nov 30, 2021.

  1. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    122,799
    Likes Received:
    122,788
    Trophy Points:
    115
    Thomas Jefferson's memorial.

    [​IMG]
     
    Fairly-Hard, Chris Craig and RR7 like this.
  2. crandc

    crandc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    21,463
    Likes Received:
    27,624
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Like barbarous slavery.
     
    Fairly-Hard, riverman and SlyPokerDog like this.
  3. calvin natt

    calvin natt Confeve

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2017
    Messages:
    7,520
    Likes Received:
    10,458
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland Suburb
     
    RR7 likes this.
  4. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    58,575
    Likes Received:
    58,883
    Trophy Points:
    113
  5. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    34,035
    Likes Received:
    24,902
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Blazer OT board
    Phatguysrule likes this.
  6. BigGameDamian

    BigGameDamian Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2012
    Messages:
    32,261
    Likes Received:
    12,705
    Trophy Points:
    113
  7. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2008
    Messages:
    19,523
    Likes Received:
    16,546
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I appreciate you saying that.

    From my perspective, guns are near and dear to the hearts of too many Americans for republicans to support restricting semi-automatic rifles. They are barely winning now, and if they don't stand up for gun rights they are dead meat. And semi-automatic firearms are like 95% of guns sold today. And the AR is the most popular rifle sold by a large margin.

    Republicans can't afford to look soft on protecting gun rights. And most democrats (politicians) don't really care about it (or the plebs in general). And even if Dems could win that battle, the Supreme Court would just overrule it as violating the 2nd amendment.

    There is just no way we can actually remove enough guns in this country to make a difference before the other party takes control and re-institutes gun laws. And this will only make the wrong kind of gun worship grow, as it did with the assault weapons ban, which nobody has been able to show causal evidence had any impact over 10 years. Only a HUGE rise in popularity of those guns and a very toxic gun culture as a result.

    I don't believe prohibition works. It has never worked here in America. It didn't work for alcohol, it hasn't worked for drugs, it never worked for abortion, nad it won't work for abortion if Roe gets reversed.

    America has had higher violent crime and murder rates than other first world countries since WW2 because we don't have universal healthcare, universal education, or a generous social safety net. Those other countries HAD to have those things after WW2. The gun debate keeps us from focusing on those far more important things. And both parties want us distracted and agitated to keep it that way.

    There has never been any gun control I've been able to find that showed a causal reduction in intentional homicides (or for that matter, mass murders). So from my perspective it's a waste of time since we can't show it has an obvious impact on lives, and it gets in the way of what I believe is the true reason other first world countries have lower violent crime and murder rates. Better access to healthcare, education, and social safety net, resulting in far better Gini Coefficients than we have here in the US.
     
  8. calvin natt

    calvin natt Confeve

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2017
    Messages:
    7,520
    Likes Received:
    10,458
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland Suburb
    How the FUCK can they just choose to not cooperate? Everything just sucks everywhere in this country my god
     
    Phatguysrule likes this.
  9. BigGameDamian

    BigGameDamian Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2012
    Messages:
    32,261
    Likes Received:
    12,705
    Trophy Points:
    113
  10. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2008
    Messages:
    19,523
    Likes Received:
    16,546
    Trophy Points:
    113
  11. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2008
    Messages:
    19,523
    Likes Received:
    16,546
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well, the argument is made quite often that assault weapons should only be available to the military. "Why do people need ASSAULT weapons!?".
    The fact of the matter is, only the military, police, and people who go through a very thorough background check by the ATF are allowed to own assault weapons.

    The guns people keep claiming are "assault weapons" have been modified for use by civilians, to be less deadly than a typical hunting rifle which hunters have been using for the last 100 years or so...

    It's inaccurate and dishonest. The purpose is to elicit an emotional response rather than a logical one.

    The details matter if we're going to talk about banning specific types or features of guns. Currently, assault weapons are banned except for a very few people. In order to ban an AR15 you're likely going to have to ban all semi-automatic rifles.

    That's a tall order. One that will in all likelihood not happen. But it will distract us from some much more important issues.
     
  12. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2008
    Messages:
    19,523
    Likes Received:
    16,546
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It makes the conversation accurate. Though I do understand why some people do prefer that.
     
  13. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2008
    Messages:
    19,523
    Likes Received:
    16,546
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Companies like that can be sued. And they should be. https://time.com/6148299/sandy-hook-remington-lawsuit-settlement/

    If you are using dishonest marketing to sell guns to young people you should be sued. But if somebody buys your gun and it works perfectly, and you only engaged in responsible advertising then you should not be held liable. You made a good and safe tool.
     
  14. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2008
    Messages:
    19,523
    Likes Received:
    16,546
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Remington just had to pay $73 million for irresponsible marketing which was determined may have resulted in death. I'm good with this. The toxic gun culture (gun=man=warrior) is a big problem, and one that I do not support.

    https://time.com/6148299/sandy-hook-remington-lawsuit-settlement/
     
    SlyPokerDog and PtldPlatypus like this.
  15. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2008
    Messages:
    19,523
    Likes Received:
    16,546
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And they may well be held accountable for that. If they engaged in irresponsible marketing they should be held accountable. But if they did not, then they should not.

    I do not support gun manufacturers or sales locations being sued just because a gun purchased from them was used to kill somebody.
    But I do support it if they are using irresponsible marketing. Sued, or held legally liable. Or both.
     
    PtldPlatypus likes this.
  16. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    34,035
    Likes Received:
    24,902
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Blazer OT board
    Ok, you've convinced me: let's ban all semi-automatic rifles.

    Sure, maybe 'assault rifle' is the emotionally charged phrase in "An assault rifle was used to murder 19 children". But I think it's the used to murder children part myself. So it's fine with me to call the gun whatever you think is correct.

    On the other hand, lots of things are politically impossible until years of activism changes the equation. I think it's too soon to say if we as a nation will ever change our minds on guns.

    And supposedly, we humans are able to walk and eschew guns at the same time.

    barfo
     
    Fairly-Hard, RR7 and riverman like this.
  17. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    122,799
    Likes Received:
    122,788
    Trophy Points:
    115
    FUCK THEM.
     
  18. riverman

    riverman Writing Team

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2013
    Messages:
    67,840
    Likes Received:
    66,592
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Only if said humans have teeth
     
    Phatguysrule likes this.
  19. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    122,799
    Likes Received:
    122,788
    Trophy Points:
    115
    Rumor going around that one of the reasons the 19 officers held back is that when they did try to make entrance into the classroom they shot a kid.
     
  20. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2008
    Messages:
    19,523
    Likes Received:
    16,546
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So you have no problem with people reporting false information? Interesting...

    And no, I don't think we can eliminate guns and enact universal Healthcare, and universal education, and improve the social safety net, and overhaul our police forces, and prison / judicial system and climate change all at the same time.

    And the number of lives saved and improved by doing each other accomplishment on that list is exponentially greater than any gun control has ever shown to be.

    So if fighting for gun control delays one of those things it's been a net negative. And I would argue that we've allowed politicians and propaganda to make it such a charged issue that it delays and hurts the advancement of every other cause...

    Putting off all of those causes (millions of lives per year) for decades longer over mass murders that cost mere hundreds of lives per year is disgraceful.
     
    Last edited: May 31, 2022

Share This Page