Notice From My Cold Dead Hands......

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  1. Chris Craig

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    And what has changed that caused that? Where were the additional shootings? Is this using the same criteria?

    My middle schoolers have lost 7 teachers this school year. They can't handle the students. 2 of them quit right in the middle of class and just left. There is an insane amount of aggression between students and teachers.
     
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    c'mon man....you're singling out teachers quiting jobs....covid and mask mandates didn't have anything to do with that?
     
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    No, I'm not singling anything out. I'm just making an observation.

    They aren't wearing masks in school, and weren't wearing them in school before most of the teachers quit... Perhaps all of them...

    The teachers told the children they couldn't deal with it and needed a break for "mental health"...
     
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    FTFY
     
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  8. Chris Craig

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    Guns have become easier to get.


    Really you are going blame teachers? Insulting.
     
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    And that may well be it. My kids certainly never have problems and always get the teachers a goodbye basket and stuff...
     
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    WTF? When did I blame teachers? Why are you so eager to try and start an argument?
     
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    How so? California has passed more gun control laws since 2019 than they did from 1900 to 2019.

    Oregon has increased gun control laws in 2018, only to see shootings increase...

    Etc... The data does not seem to support this claim as far as I can tell...
     
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    You asked what changed to cause more school shootings and then offered that may have to do with teachers quitting and not being able to handle students.

    What has happened is guns have become easier to get via relaxed laws and parents have bought more guns and have not kept them adequately locked up.
     
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    Texas has the most school shootings in the past half a decade. Gun laws have laxed there more and more. Most of the states in which these shootings have happened are red states with more lax gun control laws.
     
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    No, I didn't place blame anywhere. I made an observation that the atmosphere at school seems to be degraded. This seems to be backed up by teachers quitting to salvage their mental health.
     
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    Is that the case? Do you have a link? I'm hoping to compare rates between 2018 and 2021, but haven't found something handy yet...
     
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    Most schools have not have teachers quit. That is a small number statistically speaking. But, yes there has been some issue with students being out for a year due to Covid and returning.

    Has the exacerbated an uptick in shootings? I don't know. School shootings were here before Covid and have been an issue for sometime.
     
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    Yeah, I've been reading alot of articles. Trying to remember which one that was in. California is #1 since 1970 with Texas 2nd, but Texas is #1 in the last decade or so.
     
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    Here's one I shared the other day that I thought had some interesting statistics in. Didn't get a single comment..

     
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    School shootings were here, for sure. They've always been there. But a ton of "non firearm" stuff has changed since 2018... I don't think guns are generally easier to get though, I don't think there have been any changes which would lead to that... even of the states who have chosen to go permitless open carry... that doesn't make it easier to get guns...
     
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    My concern with this is, of course if there are more guns there are more gun deaths. But how does that impact overall violent crime and murder rates? If the same number of people die with or without guns in the same place... it's just an incomplete look at the overall picture.

    For example, in Oregon, WA, and California, when gun laws were increased it didn't reduce violent crime or murder rates. Or even gun crime, as far as that goes. They have all gone up.

    Also, most of the cities and states with higher gun crime rates (not to mention higher overall violent crime and murder rates) have terrible access to mental healthcare compared to others... which likely has a pretty big impact as well.
     
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