Notice From My Cold Dead Hands......

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  1. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    So it's actually just a case of selling more guns and avoiding actual solutions like @barfo said.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    No. What you're doing sells more guns. At higher prices.

    And your reply is also dishonest and in very poor taste.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    To allow teachers to defend themselves if they want to.

    There is no expectation of anything, other than some training and that teachers have the right to defend themselves with proper equipment.

    At least 25% of teachers want to exercise this right. The proposals I've seen simply allow these teachers the protections to do so, with proper training.
     
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  4. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    How is what I'm doing selling more guns?
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Again I say look at the God almighty bottom line, just like business. Many many countries with tough gun laws and tens of thousands of lives saved. One country with nearly no gun laws and many tens of thousands of lives lost.
     
  7. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Lies about gun control do sell guns, yes.

    barfo
     
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  8. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Are we going to ignore that all of our other violent crime rates are higher as well then? And they have been since WWII...

    What else do those countries all have in common? Better access to healthcare. Better access to education. Better social safety nets... They have less punitive police, court, and prison systems...

    Every first world country beats us in pretty much all of these categories, and all of these things make people more desperate and dangerous. It's why the Gini Coefficient is so indicitive of violent crime.

    And guns aren't going anywhere. They just aren't. Even after this tragedy they couldn't get even the Democrats to all agree on raising the age to purchase semiautomatic weapons or rifles.

    It's a red herring which distracts from the real issues listed above which would actually give people more freedom and build the middle class, and as a bonus it gooses campaign contributions.
     
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    Any before and after evidence of gun control working would really help your claims here.

    But no, just a big push for gun control creates of wave of very high margin gun sales.

    Note the spikes are when you guys think the biggest opportunity to get sweeping gun control would be, are actually when a wave of guns washes across the country.



    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-f...-guns-the-spring-2020-spike-in-firearm-sales/ monthly_firearm_sales-01.png
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Pushing the political agenda to go after guns sells more guns at higher margins...

    See the chart and above. More guns are sold with the drives for "gun control" than any other time.

    You're just playing right into the game.
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Gunflation!

    Thanks Obama & Julius.
     
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  12. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I haven't advocated shit
     
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    I didn't say you had. But attacking logical reasoning with a political slant as you have done just helps feed the ferver which spikes demand and increases the profitability of selling guns.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I don't see how. I didn't say gun control would 'work', I said that lies about gun control sold guns.

    You've accurately identified a correlation, but I think you are wrong about the causation.

    The cause is not the (very limited and, if your claims are correct, completely ineffective) gun control proposals, but rather the lies and fearmongering about gun control that the opponents engage in. No, background checks do not mean that the gummint is coming to take your guns away.

    barfo
     
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    What lies? What fear mongering? People are buying magazines and ARs because they want to make sure they get them before they might be restricted. Thereby harder to get ahold of and more expensive.

    Do you not want guns to be harder to obtain? Because pushing to make guns harder to obtain increases the desire for those guns. Thereby the value of those guns.

    What other mechanism is increasing the demand for those guns during pushes for gun control?
     
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    Wake up people....we live in a world where people want to own weapons for various reasons. Some reasons are sound some not.
    Just like any other want, need , desire that people may have. The thing is being educated on how to be responsible.
    I have daughters that carry, they are well trained and responsible as they are with other things in their life.
     
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    One reason my wife carries is that police have no legal obligation to help you. If you're in trouble that you can't solve on your own, all you can do is hope the police show up and then hope they feel like helping.

    They aren't compelled to do anything except write reports afterwards.
     
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    The doors to the classrooms were unlocked.

    Again.

    The doors to the classrooms were unfuckinglocked.

    The police could have entered the classroom to stop the shooting within 3mins of it starting.

    There was no way to lock the classroom doors from inside the classroom.
     
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    Fairly-Hard Former Member Gone New!

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    Five guys in this picture i know could be identified. I want to rush to judgement. I want to say they should be held accountable? I want to ask why first though.

    There is simply no way all five of them sat there unless they were told to stand down. It's pretty much unthinkable.
     

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