Yeah, we should definitely have well trained staff at schools placing a high priority on the mental well being of students. Including class structure, schedules, personal issues, etc.
This shits never going to end. Constant vigilance. Crazy fuckers running around with guns carrying out random mass shootings. Major problem indeed.
I am serious about it, and have attempted many conversations about exactly that. You're more interested in taking the antivaxxer approach. Which, I guess can be considered serious, but it's not logical or data driven. Rather, it's driven by emotion and misinformation. Things like dismissing the difference between full auto with burst capability and semi auto as just a "technicality". Or ignoring the fact that gun control has never reduced violent crime or murder rates by a statistically significant amount, anywhere in the world, while pushing for it anyway. Even while gun crime has exploded in Oregon and many other states after passing more gun control in the last 5 years than in the prior 30 years. Yet you're still unable to have a logical conversation about real solutions without resorting to childish and petty gestures.
But, the solutions you have put forward in the forum are socialism. Many say they are communism because they have been framed as negative by those in power. Suppression will keep those solutions from becoming reality.
What exactly is that other than I told you to speak for yourself when you say “We aren’t serious”. I’m extremely serious about the issue. There I said it! Does that “substantiate” my position enough for you? Or must I bring in witnesses to that fact?
But the numbers support those solutions far more than the numbers support gun control. Those solutions would be better for more people. You can use disasters to convince people those solutions work, like we should have done with the covid pandemic. Give them something good that also helps the economy and it will be unpopular to try and take it away. Similar to how we got and kept social security. We have realistic avenues to actually implementing the solutions I've proposed. There is no such avenue to address the problems via gun control. Gun control has every disadvantage as everything I've proposed, and you're fighting the Supreme Court as well as the Constitution. And they really aren't socialism, anyeay. They are policies that are practiced successfully by capitalist economies.
Excellent. So now that we're having a serious conversation, can you please show me the data that shows increasing gun control actually reduces violent crime and murder rates a statistically significant amount? A simple before and after would suffice.
Maybe we aren’t able to really ever implement meaningful gun control, because gun lovers flip the fuck out. Every measure is half ass. So it’s not nearly as effective as it could be or we would hope it to be. So sure, gun control efforts maybe aren’t yielding amazing results. It’s like we reduced the speed limit from 120 to 95. And everyone is like “see! People are still flying off the freeways and dying”.
I'll take before and after numbers on violent crime and murder rates from anywhere in the world. I haven't found any statistical evidence of it working anywhere except possibly Australia. But the US saw the same drops as Australia at the same time (while doubling our number of guns and letting the assault weapons ban expire). So it seems that was due more to the abundance after the end of the cold war than anything else. The whole western world saw violent crime and murder rates drop over that time frame, as their Gini Coefficients rose.
I updated my post, which covered Australia and why it's tough to put much weight in their drops. Sorry, I accidently hit POST too soon. The rest of the western world saw the same drops at the same time.
So you say "We aren't Serious" I say "Speak for yourself" You say "Substantiate that you are serious" I say "I'm serious! Is that substantial enough for you?" Now you want me to conform to your conversation by providing data that proves absolutely nothing beings it's never happened in this country and cannot be produced? Get outta here with other countries. That is not the US and their laws as well as cultures are much different. How about we actually really increase gun control in this country so there is some actual long standing data to provide? There are nearly 400 million registered weapons in this country. Putting a limit on the way a gun is purchased would take as much as 20-30 years to get any real data from. Then you want to narrow the parameters and lock it to "Violent Crime" and "Murder Rates". Then even more so by adding "Significant Amount" assuming you are to be the one who determines what is actually a significant amount. Your request is denied. What you are doing is Muddying the water on the conversation to make your point. This has been the tactic of the NRA and gun lobbyists for many years.
