Notice From My Cold Dead Hands......

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  1. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    These people gun people are fucking nuts!
    Just like they don’t take COVID serious! I’ve seen people shot and killed…. If they have, they wouldn’t want guns to be legal. Seeing hot metal shred through flesh is not something you want engrained in your memory bank.
    So frustrating.
     
  2. Orion Bailey

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    It is not as simple as that. It is the fact that not all in either party agree with all of the parties decisions or stances, etc.
    Opinions, morality etc, for most, don't ride with party lines. Sure some vote party over personal beliefs. Many do not aNd your generalizing is what is oversimplifying it.
    If it were that easy then it would be put to vote and blue would win because more think like you right?

    So why hasn't this been done yet if its such a simple thing to understand and fix?
     
  3. Orion Bailey

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    Oh please. Just stop. Ive seen the same… more than once. . The difference is i don't become irrational over it.
     
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    Sure and when you start focusing on cars, which kill more people than guns, then ill stop… “deflecting”
     
  5. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    I've already said in my last post there are things we can do to lower car deaths just as there are to lower gun deaths.

    But again it's apples and oranges
     
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    you consider that focusing on car deaths as much as gun deaths?
     
  7. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    I'm saying we can. It'll take different things to curve each. I'm saying let's focus on solutions rather than continue fighting about the problem.
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    We actually have car manufacturers, the insurance industry, and state and local governments continually working together to make automobiles safer.

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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Also, I think the suicide vs homicide comparison in gun deaths is the wrong way to look at things. The suicide rate with guns is a testament to how efficient and easy guns make it to end yourself. As far as ways to kill yourself guns are probably the easiest and most successful.

    But the good news is homicide is working very hard to catch up to suicide. GO HOMICIDE!

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  10. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    But the problem is that the left hasn't said "ok, let's spend money on mental health".

    They've kept pushing for more gun restrictions while also trying to pass unpopular healthcare plans.

    That's my problem with the left. They aren't really trying to fix anything. Mostly just playing politics.
     
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  11. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    They have. It's just been part of larger bills that have been turned down by republicans.


    The Dems have spent alot more time actually trying to fix things then the republicans.
     
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  12. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    OB

    What current gun laws in Oregon are you for and which against?
     
  13. andalusian

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    The failure of the BBB bill shows that you can not just lump items together in this version of the senate. The bills need to be simpler and stand on their own to pass legislation, unfortunately.
     
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    The problem being being dying of violence, correct?

    I'm still waiting for evidence of significant reductions in violent crime or murder rates as a result to gun control.

    If we've taken every dangerous person's guns away (which we can't do, but that's another discussion) and people are just using arson, poison, bombs, cars, etc to kill just as many people... What have we solved?

    I've never seen a gun control law that reduced violent crime or murder rates when compared to the rates of similar regions over the same time period.
     
  15. Chris Craig

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    You are being over dramatic. I know we can't take all the guns away from all bad people, the mentally ill, children or stop them all from getting them. We can stop some of them.

    Those numbers will never get to zero. I don't expect them too. We can stop alot of them. We can save a lot of lives.
     
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    Think arson or poisoning would have got this kid instead? Maybe a bomb?

    https://www.yourbasin.com/news/peop...te-governor-about-gun-law-killed-in-shooting/
     
  17. HailBlazers

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    IP 17, IP 18 coming to a ballot near you.
     
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  18. SlyPokerDog

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    For those who don't know what he's talking about.

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    Terrible. Accidents do happen.

    I didn't see any statistics or data draw any conclusions from. I don't even know any of the details of this case.

    Sure, Arson could have got him. Bomb. Poison. Automobile could have run him over if he were crossing the street at the same time the target was... Yeah, lots of possibilities.

    I've posted data showing that violent crime and murder rates haven't been impacted by gun control in any statistically significant way. Nobody seems able to prove that wrong, but rather they try to change the subject.

    If it were so clear, wouldn't it be easier to prove?
     
  20. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Sigh
     
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