So we just need armed guards at every School Store Bar Restaurant Concert Church Business Street corner And then we will be safe. Don't forget to kiss your gun goodnight tonight. Just a couple more hours and we will all just move on.....Sad.
translation....they are unable to buy guns. As to access to the other stuff you mentioned....that's not why mentally ill can have access to as many weapons and as much ammo as they can afford to purchase......people with mental disorders are not found by social services in most places on earth....to assume that having an insurance card or rehab facility available will solve mass killings is a stretch...people need to face the facts that weapons access in this country is contributing to violent crime and murder....not the health industry, the gun for profit industry. Not every teenager or young adult with heavy anger and rage issues is going to kill people but you can't hospitalize every teen with rage ......you can keep them from purchasing weapons.
The problem is that an ar15 is just an underpowered hunting rifle. And rifles kill fewer Americans per year than blunt objects do (like clubs, hammers, etc). This kid had a hand gun, which is far more deadly in a school shooting situation than an AR (more compact, easier to aim and maneuver indoors). And you have to be 21 to buy and carry a handgun in Texas. Further, if guns weren't available for purchase these kids could very easily 3d print them in a week or so... Or buy a nearly complete lower (which is not yet considered a gun, and can not be regulated as such) and finish it on their dad's drill press. It's not hard. At all. There are just too many arguments against gun control and too little evidence that gun control can be effective enough to make any meaningful difference. Even the most glowing reviews of the assault weapons ban say it may have prevented 10 mass shootings over a decade. So would would get us from like 400 per year to 399? Is that really a statistically significant enough number to make a compelling argument to remove access to the most popular sporting rifle in the world? Not even close. You aren't going to actually prevent these from happening until you start addressing why these kids want to do this kind of thing. And we aren't going to do that until we stop playing politics with this issue. But the politicians will not do that unless we force them to. Us clamoring for increase gun control or restrictions is just playing right into what they want us to do. Us vs them, my team vs your team, emotionally charged claim begets emotionally charged response. $$$$$$
I've given you examples of places where it is effective enough to prevent mass shootings in public..why do you act like that's not a viable solution for a safer society? I have to guess that you just really like having guns and they make you feel safe ..that doesn't mean they make the world safer. I've yet to read this week of the mass killings a crazy person with a club carried out but I've read daily about guns killing innocent people.....if clubs are more of a threat they are certainly not in the news as a problem....and in my 68 years club haven't threatened lives on any comparable scale to guns. It's just not demonstrable but you know a lot of money has been spent by the NRA to make up these stats and charts and justify hawking weapons and selling them as protection
It's not surprising that the most popular gun in the world is used by bad people... How many of those had hand guns? If you were to ban the AR people would just move the modularity to another platform. The next most popular caliber for sporting is the 30-06. This would not be a good thing...
What were the numbers before gun control and after? If you can show me that comparison we can have an honest conversation about it.
I you don't think we're having an honest conversation then we're done here....you can ignore successful gun free cultures all you want but if you aren't willing to acknowledge the success that stems from their gun laws then you are just interested in propping up the NRA line which is popular here in the states. I gave it a try but I can see this is just going to get silly....have a great day. My real life experiences around guns and gun laws is enough to make me form the opinion I have..I've lived in both systems. I'm guessing you haven't.
The comparison wasn't clubs vs guns. It was deaths per year caused by blunt objects vs rifles specifically.
So no before and after numbers? How else are you supposed to make an honest comparison? Again, I'm here and willing to have this conversation any time. Feel free to address it when it's not so emotional. I'm sure it would be a stimulating conversation. Sincerely.
Kids aren't going to school with blunt objects and orchestrating mass killings. You can defend yourself against a blunt object.
How much does the NRA spend on lobbying? Looks like under $5 million per year. Am I reading that right? https://www.statista.com/statistics...onal-rifle-associaction-in-the-united-states/ Bloomberg routinely outspends the NRA... Which is fine. But it's not like the NRA money is the driving factor behind gun rights. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...tspends-nra-helps-democrats-win-virginia.html https://www.google.com/search?q=Blo...gAQHIAQnAAQE&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#ip=1
I gave you real life info about my owning a gun and being robbed with 3 guns on the street while carrying groceries home....also in my 20 years in Taiwan there were ZERO mass killings by guns and this year alone in America around 300 children have been killed by them....now what do you call that comparison? A fluke? All my life the NRA has been building a huge case to justify arming the populace with guns.....they have charts and graphs and all sorts of things you might see as truth.....my life experience and observations are my truth. I'm not selling it either nor am I overly emotional when I discuss it but yes....I'm fucking pissed about what happened yesterday and those numbers support my view on gun control. Why you would want to argue with those facts is something I won't understand no matter how much NRA propoganda you dig up
It's not easier to legally buy a gun and ammo than Sudafed in Oregon. It's much harder. Yet violent crime and murder have been rising ever since that increased gun control took effect. Certainly the rates haven't risen because of gun control, but control certainly didn't prevent the rise. Same in California and Washington. And most other states with strict gun control. It's not effective.
Again, I'm happy to have this conversation, but we'll need some numbers to get anywhere. What was their percentage of gun ownership compared to mass shootings before gun control and after? How did those numbers compare to the drop in mass shootings before and after the institution of gun control?
If a classroom of kids being slaughtered doesn't make you emotional I'm not sure what to say. Listen to the emotional responses from people AGAINST any gun control. The hunting and killing of innocents is an emotional subject. Look at the history and pattern of this bullshit. Once the outrage and emotion dies out all discussion dies out. You ask for proof that gun control works. Right now, illegal aliens can not legally buy guns in this country. In these mass shootings, how many have been done by illegal aliens?
answer me this... why the hell does anyone need a gun? you seem to like to stand behind these archaic reasons for why 2A was even in the constitution in the first place and then are equating that era to current era. scared the redcoats are going to tax you again? if you are attacked, are you actually capable of raising your gun and killing someone? stop with the bullshit. as an immigrant to this country when i was a child, i was genuinely shocked at seeing guns and ammo sold in stores like Walmart. that shit serves no purpose and has no reasoning. fucking gun nuts man. y'all hold onto that shit like it's the most sacred thing in the world. maybe if you and your buddies in washington showed this much conviction to something more useful, we wouldn't be reading this kinda news every week.
