If parents are still paying for their kid's healthcare up to 26, can they still claim them as "dependants"?
This is what the main problem is.... let me be me, the next guy should get off his ass and start working My parents came to this country with nothing, a few dollars, they worked there asses off for over 30 years with work most people would never do, but now they can say they have been succesful and created a great future for their kids and for their retirement
so..what about the parents who worked for 30 years but lost everything, including their health insurance with the economic collapse of the last 3 years? They worked their asses off too, and they were successful and created a great future for their kids and for their retirement. But were both laid off, and now work jobs that don't provide them with health care. Fuck them too, huh? Because that's obviously communism! Cept that it's not. But hey, if words can scare people, use em!
We're going to pay ~$4000/year/person for healthcare. I'm all for providing a safety-net so that people don't experience financial ruin due to cancer, but $4000/year is providing much, much more than a safety net. Either that or there will be a LOT of waste and inefficiency. Congrats on a expensive bill.
Who's paying $4k? Not me, my healthcare is covered by my employer. I think its around $500 a month they said? Will I have to pay extra on top of that? fuck that son!
Is it actually going to cost a person 4000 a year? iirc, HCP said he pays 1000 a month. I'm sure he'd rather pay 4000 a year for insurance.
Oh right, the good old "I work harder than the next guy!" thing. I agree with you. Poor people never work hard. They deserve to be poor. Capitalism has caused just as much if not more destruction. It depends on the exploitation of human beings. There is no such thing as rich people in a vacuum. You need poor people in capitalism or it doesn't work.
Im sorry, that sucks, but if they are still able to work, they get a job and are covered by their company.... I shouldnt be forced to pay for someone else's misfortune, even though that may seem cruel
Nothing was given to me. I worked my ass off in high school so i can get accepted in a decent university, once i got to that university, i did not get any scholarship and i paid my way through school with loans, once i graduated i got a decent paying job, and currently im paying off my loans and making money. Thats how it works. If you work hard, you make it in this country. I didnt get any handouts and my parents werent blessed enough to pay my way through. I went to a public school and university, pretty sure everyone in this country has that ability...
Why? Their existence made your being better off possible. If you don't believe that this is true, go to a deserted island and see how rich you become with no society. Society enables riches and opportunity and you have to pay something back in return. It is so very capitalistic a principle, after all, that there's no such thing as a free lunch. You should pay for anything you get, which includes the opportunity to succeed.
Thats true, and i do pay a lot to a certain extent (currently ~ 32% of my income). But when you start heading down a slippery slope, eventually I will be paying half of my paycheck to the govt, and that isnt capitalism anymore
I didn't say anything was given to you. Let's just not pretend capitalism is fair and just. It's an exploitive system that NEEDS poor people to exist. You should just be grateful some are willing to do shitty jobs for 5 bucks an hour their whole life and realize how lucky you may have been to be born with the smarts, family, drive, dna etc to exploit the system like many of us have.
What, you think all the people who are either A: poor B: unemployed C: uninsured or D: whatever, are just lazy people who got everything handed to them on a silver platter? God I hope you never lose your job and can't find one that has health insurance and you lose your house. You'd obviously only have yourself to blame, since "if you work hard, you make it in this country".
No econmic model is "Perfect" but capitalism is as close as it gets, thats why this country had been the greatest country in the world for over a hundred years. About your point of the people who work shitty jobs etc. My parents worked those jobs, berry picking, janitorial work, and whatever else work they can get. But eventually they were able to get out of that rut of a life and climb the ladder. Thats what im saying, anyone can do it with hard work, you dont have to be smart. I worked at fred meyer for 1 year when i was 16 (I hate fred meyer after that job) I worked another year for a janitorial firm when i was 17 overnight while going to school. So again, i worked pretty shitty jobs too.
