Game Thread Game #18 - BLAZERS VS NUGGETS - NOVEMBER 23, 2021 - TUESDAY - 7:00 PM (PDT) TNT

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Chris Craig, Nov 20, 2021.

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Who should replace Neil Olshey if he's fired?

  1. Danny Ainge

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  2. Brent Barry

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  3. Bill Branch

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  5. He shouldn't be fired

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  1. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    without Nurkic, the Blazers would likely be 30th in the NBA in defense again. Now, they are only 26th right now so that doesn't seem like much of an endorsement, but it means the Blazers would have a negative net differential without Nurk, and that would have them headed for the play-in, at best, or the lottery

    but more than the overt defensive numbers is that Nurkic is central to Portland being a really good rebounding team. Nurkic is 2nd in the NBA in defensive rebounding rate. He's led Portland to the #1 ranking in the NBA in defensive rebounding rate. I'm pretty sure that doesn't show up directly in team defensive stats, but it pretty damn important to minimize opponent possessions and keeping them from converting 2nd chance points; that's good defense

    Nurkic is 2nd in defensive rebounding, 10th in offensive rebounding, and 3rd in overall rebounding rate. Personally I think that's as important, if not more-so, than defense. So yeah, the people constantly hammering Nurk for one reason or another need to soak their heads in something cold

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    Nurk's disappointment with his offensive role in understandable. His FGA's have dropped more than 4 a game from his Nurk-fever days under Stotts. And his touches have dropped by 11-12 a game. When your touches drop 20% and your shots drop 36% you're likely not going to be a happy camper.

    the problem is the addition of Powell and the 'emergence' of Simons. I've mentioned it before but those two guys added to the Dame/CJ dynamic means the 4 of them take around 67% of the shots and usage. And the three guys not named Dame are not real good at passing the ball. That issue has been worsened from Nukic's POV by the Blazers playing Dame off the ball more. If Dame doesn't have the ball, Nurkic's involvement will be less. A simple solution, at least a partial solution is to NOT play Dame off the ball when Nurkic is on the floor. Have Dame bring the ball up an initiate the offense. He'll make a point of finding Nurkic. The other three ball-handlers need to do a better job as well
     
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    Or he's caught onto the fact that Brown has one, and only one, overly rehearsed highlight dunk, and isn't impressed until Brown tries something new.

    The NBA 3-ball game only took a couple years to trickle down to the high school level, and many HS coaches endorse it while privately hating it. (Much like Poppovich.) It's pretty horrific when 10% shooters think they're the next Dame or Steph, but a case can be made that that's still their higher efficiency shot. But, by now, we're seeing the elite talent and teams being groomed in that system, rather than just emulating it, so I'd expect a Trae Young type, i.e. another once in a generation deep shooter, to come up every year or two.
     
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    To me our defense looks significantly better this year, at least potentially so, but we haven’t ironed out all the kinks yet. Dame’s horrific start on offense also had to negatively impact our defense as the two are linked both psychologically and physically. I expect we won’t be anywhere near 26th by season end.
     
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    Or we could run like we did last night and reduce his touches even more. He was still a +18 last night so I am fine with his 6-10 shots per game. He is still valuable.

    On another note...... CJ with a + 28 last night....got to love that, right Wiz?
     
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    Hahaha... I think it's awesome. He also posts data that doesn't support his original stance, which is the ultimate sign of maturity and open-mindedness. Very cool!
     
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    I gave CJ props last night in the game thread (twice) because for the most part, he was CJ instead of MeJ. He did go MeJ in the 3rd Q and that stalled the offensive flow. But he was good in the other 3 Q's

    and by the way, I think individual game +/- numbers might be the single most useless stat around
     
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    ha!...as if maturity and open-mindeness have any business showing up here
     
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    He did go MeJ in the 3rd. But it really was just the one possession where he over-dribbled that was stupid.

    I also thought his defense was noticeably "solid" last night. Chauncey is making a difference. However much like the Blazers on offense, when the other team has good ball movement there always seems to be a shooter in the corner left wide open.
     
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    I'm not sure how you'd gauge it thru stats but I really wonder if Portland's biggest issue in defending three's is their lack of perimeter length. I really believe rotating to shooters with length will be more effective than with smaller, supposedly quicker players
     
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    Guess I’m in minority I like Zeller. Smart player who hustles and does all the little things that wins you games. I’m fine with him as backup. We jump on and off so much with players drives me crazy. He’s a backup guy who you can count on to make all the right plays, he’s not a starter and really 8-9th man off bench. Perfect come playoff time
     
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    I imagine Powell's defensive rating is affected by the guys he has to guard, bigger and stronger.
     
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    IMHO, we got Zeller to guard Jokic in the playoffs without getting backed into oblivion. I haven't seen this in action, but that's my theory. So, I guess I'm saying regular season doesn't matter as much with Zeller. However, he's been struggling lately.
     
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    I'd think defensive ratings fro each player aren't about individual match-ups as much as it is about rotations
     
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    that might be part of it although if Portland is building their roster to beat Denver in the playoffs they are aiming low. They should be thinking about beating the Warriors and Suns. Zeller won't help with those teams. He might with Utah.
     
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    Rastapopoulos Gimmick-hungry yob

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    Serious question: was Billups wrong to go with Nance down the stretch?

    Nurk is a good rebounder - but he is only a good defender in a narrow set of circumstances. He isn't mobile enough to be effective against many line-ups, and he isn't good enough to stop a really good center like Joker. (if Joker had played, we likely lose that game) He has his uses, but is hardly irreplaceable.
     
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    nurkic guarded jokic pretty well in the playoffs
     
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    If they were shooting over our guards then I would agree. But for the most part, teams are moving the ball around the perimeter to open 3 pt shooters. By the 3rd pass, there is no defender close. Not saying there aren't some elite shooters who can shoot over a shorter guard (especially at the end of games) but for the vast majority, 3 pt shooters will pass the ball if someone is close. They might be taller but the ball is not always above their head.
     
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    I'm not all that impressed with Sexton, but Rubio would be an improvement over CJ for playmaking and defense. Kind of a blue-collar Ben Simmons!

    I will now go hide in my bunker. Please address all bombs "to whom it may concern."
     
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    Lest we forget: in last season's Nuggets playoff series, Nurk had a positive plus/minus, Jokic had a negative one. The main thing that cost us that series was that Nurk was perpetually in foul trouble (something he's managing better this year, and perhaps the new rules help). If there were 10 fouls instead of 6 we might have won that series.
     

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