<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Apr 24 2007, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You've had the same trash for like 3 seasons in a row. Surely if he's the best coach in the league he'd make them better. I swear I think they're actually WORSE.</div>I don't think it really matters who the coach is with this roster. You need to have players that will make a difference. I don't care how good of a coach someone is. Take a look at the last 10 years and tell me what team had a average roster with one star and won the title?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Apr 24 2007, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think it really matters who the coach is with this roster. You need to have players that will make a difference. I don't care how good of a coach someone is. Take a look at the last 10 years and tell me what team had a average roster with one star and won the title?</div>Sixers went to the Finals with one. Until Shaq and co beat them...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Apr 24 2007, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sixers went to the Finals with one. Until Shaq and co beat them... </div>Exactly, and that Sixers team lost. Not to mention that they would never have gotten that far in the Western Conference. Like I said, the Lakers need to change its look this offseason, desperately. If I was Kobe or Phil, I would confront Mitch...maybe even try and talk to Jerry West. Anything! Watching Lamar's post game interview, you can really see how this team is not very close and needs a change. Hopefully we can win a game or two back in LA.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Apr 24 2007, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sixers went to the Finals with one. Until Shaq and co beat them... </div>Iverson had the defensive player of the year by his side, the coach of the year leading his team, and a team full of hungry veterans who knew how to play the game. Kobe has one of those three things, a good coach. But that's obviously not enough. He's going up against harder competition than Iverson was and he's doing it with much less at his sides. Hopefully next year we're not having this conversation.
Game 2 Recap - Suns 126 - Lakers 98This was a great win by the Suns. It was a incredible balanced attack and it really left the Lakers in shock at how incredible and versatile the Suns offense really is. Like last game, Leandro Barbosa (26 points) was a huge part of this victory as well as Steve Nash (16 points, 14 assists). Amare Stoudemire (20 points, 9 rebounds) and Shawn Marion (18 points, 10 rebounds) were getting what seemed like alley-oop after alley-oop from Nash. It was entertaining. Kobe Bryant really had a bad game, only scoring 15 points on 5-13 shooting. It also didn't help that nobody else on his team was able to take on the scoring when the Lakers needed them. He got his ankle tied up with Barbosa and had to leave the game early. The injury wasn't serious and he'll definitely be back for the rest of the series, but I think he was just trying to be on the safe side and because LA was losing by 30. The Lakers just never really got it going and were a victim of the Suns high-powered offense. Andrew Bynum was pretty solid off the bench, grabbing 12 rebounds though. Lamar Odom had a solid 10-10 double double. But the Suns got the upper hand in this game and now in the series, forcing the Lakers to need to take 3 straight games, which is a tough feat. This was a very tough loss to stomach for the Lakers who will want to come out strong at home. I just don't know if this team was mentally prepared for the playoffs and I don't think there is enough talent on Los Angeles to even up the series and I could see this ending in 4 or 5 games if LA doesn't step it up. If Kobe can get hot though and carry his team I could see LA taking all of their home games, losing to Phoenix in game 5 and forcing a game 7, which even if they don't win would hurt Phoenix in the long run. Game 3 should be interesting.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Apr 25 2007, 07:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Game 3 Recap - Suns 126 - Lakers 98This was a great win by the Suns. It was a incredible balanced attack and it really left the Lakers in shock at how incredible and versatile the Suns offense really is. Like last game, Leandro Barbosa (26 points) was a huge part of this victory as well as Steve Nash (16 points, 14 assists). Amare Stoudemire (20 points, 9 rebounds) and Shawn Marion (18 points, 10 rebounds) were getting what seemed like alley-oop after alley-oop from Nash. It was entertaining. Kobe Bryant really had a bad game, only scoring 15 points on 5-13 shooting. It also didn't help that nobody else on his team was able to take on the scoring when the Lakers needed them. He got his ankle tied up with Barbosa and had to leave the game early. The injury wasn't serious and he'll definitely be back for the rest of the series, but I think he was just trying to be on the safe side and because LA was losing by 30. The Lakers just never really got it going and were a victim of the Suns high-powered offense. Andrew Bynum was pretty solid off the bench, grabbing 12 rebounds though. Lamar Odom had a solid 10-10 double double. But the Suns got the upper hand in this game and now in the series, forcing the Lakers to need to take 3 straight games, which is a tough feat. This was a very tough loss to stomach for the Lakers who will want to come out strong at home. I just don't know if this team was mentally prepared for the playoffs and I don't think there is enough talent on Los Angeles to even up the series and I could see this ending in 4 or 5 games if LA doesn't step it up. If Kobe can get hot though and carry his team I could see LA taking all of their home games, losing to Phoenix in game 5 and forcing a game 7, which even if they don't win would hurt Phoenix in the long run. Game 3 should be interesting.</div>Shouldn't that say Game 2 recap? Not 3.
nash abused farmer(he was always a step or 2 behind), this is the #1 point guards competition this series(.) The lakers need a pg that can keep up with him(.) The Lakers are pretty much done for this single problem alone(.)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Apr 25 2007, 12:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's phil jackson's bad. kobe should've been long out. Supports my saying that PJ is the most overrated coach ever.</div> Most overrated coach ever, you've got to be f*cking kidding me.
exactly..if anything S2S D'Antoni is the most overrated coach (at least right now)you think he's responsible for that loaded roster?his combined record before Nash came to Phoenix was 35-76
As far as Playoff Ass-kickings go, this isn't the worst one the Lakers have had. But it sure as hell was unecessary, they better bring it in game 3, or they'll add to their illustrious record as the team that has been swept more than any other.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Exactly, and that Sixers team lost. Not to mention that they would never have gotten that far in the Western Conference. Like I said, the Lakers need to change its look this offseason, desperately. If I was Kobe or Phil, I would confront Mitch...maybe even try and talk to Jerry West. Anything! Watching Lamar's post game interview, you can really see how this team is not very close and needs a change. Hopefully we can win a game or two back in LA.</div>You shouldn't be so hard on the guys, they were clicking at the start and were really making a huge step in the right direction. The injuries just piled up, honestly, not to many teams could survive the injury-fest the Lakers went through this year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Apr 25 2007, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>exactly..if anything S2S D'Antoni is the most overrated coach (at least right now)you think he's responsible for that loaded roster?his combined record before Nash came to Phoenix was 35-76</div>I think you need to put the crack pipe down if you think D'Antoni is the most over-rated coach right now. Stacked roster or not he is the one that has vreated the most exciting system the league has seen for years.
No..Nash created the most exciting system the league has seen for years...he's the reason they're so good...it may be exciting but it isn't neccesarily the best system...how many titles have the Suns won under D'Antoni? the system isn't balanced enough to be able to endure the long playoffs and win enough games against elite teams in the West
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Apr 24 2007, 11:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>See, this is exactly why Kobe can't just pass and "trust his teammates" more than shooting. People kept arguing with me yesterday that Kobe was being a ballhog and that the Lakers would be a better team if he didn't shoot as much and passed the ball more. Well, there you have it. Kobe was definitely in facilitator mode in the 1st half today and look what happens. The Lakers are down by 21. The Lakers have a real dilemma here because when Kobe facilitates more than shooting, most nights the Lakers can't keep up...especially with run-and-gun teams like Phoenix. And when Kobe shoots more and keeps the Lakers in the game he runs out of gas late and just doesn't have the legs for it. It's hard to watch.</div>Players who dont shoot the ball much, dont shoot well. Its a probably a new thing for them, getting a pass from Kobe and all :happy0144:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ChuckTheD @ Apr 24 2007, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Iverson had the defensive player of the year by his side, the coach of the year leading his team, and a team full of hungry veterans who knew how to play the game. Kobe has one of those three things, a good coach. But that's obviously not enough. He's going up against harder competition than Iverson was and he's doing it with much less at his sides. Hopefully next year we're not having this conversation.</div>Ooo wow he had the coach of the year. Well let me say, if Sam Mitchell can win coach of the year, that's not really saying much. And Phil Jackson is supposedly an all time great. And whether the competition was good or not, that's 3 series of games Iverson led them through, kobe can't get through one. We know that Bynum and Brown have at least some potential. Looking at Brown from 3 years ago and now you can tell he's better, though obviously still not that good.Though I suppose I just got it(revelation!). Phil Jackson is not a good coach in terms of developing talent. He's good at taking refined, all-ready-good-and-ready-to-go players and utilizing them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Apr 25 2007, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No..Nash created the most exciting system the league has seen for years...he's the reason they're so good...it may be exciting but it isn't neccesarily the best system...how many titles have the Suns won under D'Antoni? the system isn't balanced enough to be able to endure the long playoffs and win enough games against elite teams in the West</div>No, Nash fits perfectly into D'Antoni's system. He is a well respected coach after his time in Italy (there is basketball outside the NBA you know) and has done wonders with the Suns. He win the coach of the Year award for helping to turn this team around.Also, it's not like D'Antoni has been in charge for 10 years or anything, give him some time for a title (I have a feeling if you waiy a couple of months you will see one).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MrBigShot_23 @ Apr 25 2007, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Players who dont shoot the ball much, dont shoot well. Its a probably a new thing for them, getting a pass from Kobe and all :happy0144:</div>Yeah...because that was the first time Kobe ever passed the ball. You are retarded. Did you watch Kobe this season? When Lamar was out, Kobe carried alot of the slack and was getting around 7 and 8 assists a game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Milgod @ Apr 25 2007, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No, Nash fits perfectly into D'Antoni's system. He is a well respected coach after his time in Italy (there is basketball outside the NBA you know) and has done wonders with the Suns. He win the coach of the Year award for helping to turn this team around.Also, it's not like D'Antoni has been in charge for 10 years or anything, give him some time for a title (I have a feeling if you waiy a couple of months you will see one).</div>Ooh he is a respected coach from Italy..before it had any talented players..yes!He's been in charge for 4 years and hasn't even been able to bring his team to the Finals..let alone win a titleThe team's record in 2003 was 29-53 with Shawn Marion, Joe Johnson, Amare Stoudemire, Leandro Barbosa and Stephon Marbury..all very good players..D'Antoni was the coach and they sucked..then Steve Nash came to the team in 2004 and they're suddenly a 62 win team? Yeah that's D'Antoni the best coach in the NBA at work right there!When they don't make the Finals again this year what are Suns fans gonna say?His system is entertaining but it is not the best system..the Suns will be out of gas by the middle of May if they get that far<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Apr 25 2007, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Though I suppose I just got it(revelation!). Phil Jackson is not a good coach in terms of developing talent. He's good at taking refined, all-ready-good-and-ready-to-go players and utilizing them.</div>And S2S that's funny that you say that about Phil Jackson who has won 9 titles and had 2 of the best "dynastys" of all-time while D'Antoni hasn't won any with the most loaded team since the 2000's Lakers...You think coaches win titles by themselves with sh*tty players? It doesn't work like thatD'Antoni can't win a title with the reigning MVP, the 2002 rookie of the year, the 6th man of the year and 3 NBA All-Stars
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Apr 25 2007, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ooo wow he had the coach of the year. Well let me say, if Sam Mitchell can win coach of the year, that's not really saying much. And Phil Jackson is supposedly an all time great. And whether the competition was good or not, that's 3 series of games Iverson led them through, kobe can't get through one. We know that Bynum and Brown have at least some potential. Looking at Brown from 3 years ago and now you can tell he's better, though obviously still not that good.Though I suppose I just got it(revelation!). Phil Jackson is not a good coach in terms of developing talent. He's good at taking refined, all-ready-good-and-ready-to-go players and utilizing them.</div>Kobe has players with potential. He can pass the ball to them all he wants, but it's up to them to utilize it. Bynum went through large chunks of the season where he did nothing. So did Lamar, Kwame, and the rest of the team Jackson did all he could, but there's only so much a coach can do.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Milgod @ Apr 25 2007, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think you need to put the crack pipe down if you think D'Antoni is the most over-rated coach right now. Stacked roster or not he is the one that has vreated the most exciting system the league has seen for years.</div>Excitement doesn't equal winning. Look at the Spurs.
