Game Thread GAME# 50: BLAZERS @ SUNS - JANUARY 24, 2019 - THURSDAY, 6:00 PM, NBCSNW

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If you could cut one player from our roster (and shed their contract), whom would you pick?

Poll closed Feb 6, 2019.

  1. Aminu

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  2. Harkless

    4 vote(s)
    6.6%

  3. Leonard

    8 vote(s)
    13.1%

  4. McCollum

    2 vote(s)
    3.3%

  5. Stauskas

    2 vote(s)
    3.3%

  6. Turner

    39 vote(s)
    63.9%

  7. Other

    2 vote(s)
    3.3%

  8. Swanigan

    4 vote(s)
    6.6%
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  1. CupWizier

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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    True! But those wins were against Denver and Sactown, and they had close losses to Tor, Philly, and Minny.
     
    tykendo, Jan 24, 2019
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    tlongII Legendary Poster

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    The +/- stat is meaningless in this instance. They are worse when he's on the court because he's playing with backups.
     
    tlongII, Jan 24, 2019
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    It's not +/-, it's advanced stats.
     
    hoopsjock, Jan 24, 2019
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    except it isn't just plus/minus

    winshares/48:

    Damian Lillard .189
    Jusuf Nurkic .182
    Meyers Leonard .156
    Jake Layman .123
    Al-Farouq Aminu .120
    Zach Collins .107
    CJ McCollum .093
    Maurice Harkless .093
    Evan Turner .056
    Nik Stauskas .055

    box plus/minus:

    Jusuf Nurkic 5.5
    Damian Lillard 5.0
    Meyers Leonard 1.5
    Al-Farouq Aminu 1.0
    Maurice Harkless 0.9
    Zach Collins 0.3
    Jake Layman 0.0
    CJ McCollum -0.7
    Evan Turner -1.5
    Nik Stauskas -2.6

    value over replacement:

    Damian Lillard 3.0
    Jusuf Nurkic 2.5
    Al-Farouq Aminu 1.1
    Meyers Leonard 0.6
    Maurice Harkless 0.5
    Zach Collins 0.5
    CJ McCollum 0.5
    Jake Layman 0.3
    Evan Turner 0.1
    Nik Stauskas -0.1

    one final number is Real Plus/Minus. 477 NBA players are tracked; out of 477, Turner ranks 442nd

    when several different metrics are telling you the same thing, it's almost impossible to convince anyone to not believe their lying eyes
     
    wizenheimer, Jan 24, 2019
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    Dame, however, went from questionable to playing.
     
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    looks like the Suns really know how to drive that tank
     
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    Tanking isn't their problem, the execution of the picks is the problem.
     
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    Well if you want to start pulling stats to make this guy look good then have at it. I can agree his assist numbers are indeed up due to players actually hitting some shots but his TO numbers are also up this year with less minutes played. Lillard plays 10 more minutes a game and always has the toughest defender on him and only averages one more TO a game. It's all about the way he effects the game and as the question stated what player plus contract would be best to shed. IMO that would be Evan Turner.
     
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    Doesn't matter. He's still playing with backups.
     
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    It's not that he's good. He isn't. But he's our best bet at the position currently.
     
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    So you know for a fact that Baldwin wouldn't be better or just letting Curry handle the ball more? For like the 10th time you are ignoring that we could still use his roster spot to trade for someone too.
     
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    No Ayton... feed the Beast!
     
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    So, #Biebs4Realz
     
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    Yes. Yes I do.
     
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    And we ain't trading him for someone prior to next season. GuranDamnSheed.
     
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    Ayton don't want no Nurk. That means Beast is going to murder anyone who's out there.

    Now.....does anyone have a wildebeest that I can borrow? Some lady kindly donated her panties, now I just need a wildebeest.
     
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    What?
     
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    We are not trading Evan Turner prior to next season. We're not cutting him either (as if that would ever be on the table).
     
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