Game Thread GAME# 56: BLAZERS @ HORNETS - APRIL 18, 2021 - SUNDAY, 4:00, NBCSNW

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Darkwebs, Apr 16, 2021.

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What do you predict will happen with Derrick Jones this offseason?

Poll closed Apr 23, 2021.
  1. He opts in to play a 2nd year with Portland.

    25.6%
  2. He opts out, but re-signs with Portland

    14.0%
  3. He opts out and signs with a different team.

    60.5%
  1. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Its comical because its obviously wrong. RHJ has been in the league for a while, and there was nothing the organization was going to find out about him in one game that they didnt already know.
     
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  2. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

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    I have no inside knowledge to prove why or why not RHJ started and/or why DJJ got another DNP. I have a theory, but no proof to back it up. If you have proof, please share.

    I thought the RHJ signing was a crappy one. I think playing him is crappy.
     
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  3. stampedehero

    stampedehero Make Your Day, a Doobies Day Staff Member Moderator

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  4. SIeepwalker

    SIeepwalker The lone sane poster

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    Stotts probably voted for different team in the poll and wants to make sure he's right
     
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  5. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I really wish you'd give up on that trope. He's started 11 games as the teams starting PF. Norman Powell has started more games as the teams starting SF, if he doesn't re-sign next year are you going to continually drop that gem out if the team is struggling?
     
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  6. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    If that's the case, it's a made up excuse.

    He could've still played RHJ minutes not at the expense of DJJ and still played DJJ some minutes in the game.

    Either he's scapegoating DJJ, or there's something that he's (DJJ) doing that has pissed off the coach. Or Stotts really is a bad coach who should have been fired already.
     
  7. Tince

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    Here would be his retort:



    If I had to guess, I'd lean towards Olshey not providing that directive, but I have zero proof what the real reason was.

    In geneal, I think 10 player roations are less than ideal. Sounds like yesterday was less than ideal though anyway.
     
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    James lamphear Well-Known Member

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    There 3 different stats there 100 poss stat that is at 118 and there advance stats that had him at -1.6 I believe there there another stat is defense rating I believe must per game is at 113.5 I believe some people go by that one. Each one is compute differently how they come up there figure. I go by the the 3rd majority of the time to me that's real time stat to me and more as advance stats so try to predict something that actually happened plus using different catogerities. Basically everyone has a different formula how they come with there numbers.
     
  9. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    where is this 113.5 stat found? What is it?
     
  10. James lamphear

    James lamphear Well-Known Member

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    Google player name and behind there type stats then go to nba. com it will all that information.
     
  11. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I can't imagine that Olshey is so enamored with RHJ that he demanded that not start DJJ in this scenario. It's pretty clear to see that DJJ was no longer starting anyways, and Stotts has thrown shade at him before.

    Plus, Olshey seemingly *loves* Simons, yet how many games has Simons been on an incredibly short leash? So all the sudden Olshey is gonna pull clout on a guy on a 2nd 10 day contract!?

    I kinda think Stotts is almost trying to get fired, because he sure won't quit.
     
  12. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    yeah...ok. I'm not going to go thru that effort. I'm thinking if somebody is claiming some stat is showing CJ a better defender than other stats, they could actually link the stat

    CJ's brother actually posted the team defensive rating. AFAIC, that kind of sets the parameter of discussion. We're talking about defensive rating

    now, like all defensive stats there will be noise, maybe a lot of it. Defensive rating is much more a team rating than an individual rating. The only way I think defensive rating is a suitable gauge of a player is to compare the player's rating to his team. If he has a better rating than the team, than chances are he's a better defender than the team average. If he has a worse rating, well, there you go, and CJ's rating is worse

    not only that, all of CJ's defensive numbers will be skewed because he's played a much higher percentage of the time with Nurkic than the rest of the team due to the coincidental timing of their injuries

    CJ is NOT a good defender
     
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    I think CJ's brother might be a little bias and cherry picking stats. The other day he called CJ one of the top 5 SG's in the NBA. I wish it was true, maybe top 10, but not top 5.
     
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    The last part of your theory makes the least amount of sense to me. Why would he try to get fired? He could privately ask Olshey to fire him or quit and be out of a job. If he had to purposely pull on the court stunts to get fired, well yet again, it would be a sign that the problem is above him.
     
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    I barely check in anymore, too hard and too little fun watching this team
     
  16. wizenheimer

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    the NBA hasn't become positionless....yet. There are still PG's and C's. But the league has essentially erased any real distinction between SG's and SF's. They are just wings now. In fact you can almost add PF's to the wing class. RoCo certainly fits that definition

    even with PG's and C's there is some blurring. Lebron and Simmons and Giannis acting like PG's. Adebayo and Plumlee acting like C's. But those two positions still have skillsets and styles that aren't widely shared

    wings look to be more than half of the league
     
  17. James lamphear

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    I am saying he good defender just by watching but that where his brother got them numbers. Yes it's really team effort that make successful defense. He kind like Dame sometimes he make a good defense stop and sometimes he stay in front of the person and he to short to actually contest the shot.
     
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    He’s not our starting PF. Collins is.
     
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    KSF-ERIC Well-Known Member

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    It was actually a fun game. Almost came back from a 27 point third quarter defense. We lost but there were parts where it was exciting.
     
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    Lillard is our best defender at PG and Hornets are built around Rozier.
     

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