Game Thread GAME# 7: BLAZERS @ WARRIORS - NOVEMBER 4, 2019 - MONDAY, 7:30 PM, NBATV & NBCSNW

Like I just said in another post, better talent man for man. But there are a lot of teams constructed of superior talent that don't play well together for whatever reason. Where the unit is less than the sum of its parts. That's what I see at the moment. And I'm not sure ... it might be lack of familiarity, but it just doesn't feel that way to me.

 

I'm impressed you have yet to answer the question. Any forward who starts is an NBA starter, we agree there. You want to answer my original question yet? You can pick Baze and Hood or Tolliver and Hood, I'm willing to work with you here. Are either of the two a high quality starting forward combo?

 

How we know we aren’t that good this year is we were down almost all game, so it's not like it was a crazy run

 

Stop the hyperbolic nonsense. You aren't that clueless. You know what I mean. He's a good player but not anything great. There were teams with more money than us willing to sign him. But he wasn't this great free agent target.

People liked him here because he was good and a good fit. Is Simons going to be better than him in a year or two? I'd say almost absolutely.

 

Tince, again, Hood and Baze or Tolliver and Baze are not the starting combo - certainly not as intended - so your argument is moot.

 

Weren't we up at half?

 

Against a team that even my friends who are die hard Warriors fans have difficulty naming the players? Give me a break.

Hood and Bazemore are definitely better than Paschall and Robinson III.

 

Good. Wait until he sees the torches and pitchforks.

For reals. This loss tonight was not on him. Not by a mile. Not that I'm saying anyone said that.

That's because it's not. This is the same old shit year after year after year. We are slow as fuck, and stuck in horrible, boring ISO ball. And it's because Terry Stotts is stuck in 2009, instead of 2019.

 

Ok, who are our current starting forwards that the coaching staff is failing to make quality starters? I can't really blame the coaches for Nurk and Collins not contributing tonight, but I'm sure some here could

 

Yeah

 

Rebounding remains an issue. You know who’s a good rebounder? Nassir Little.

 

I'm down giving you a 6th chance on what appears to be a very very difficult question: Yes or no, should either Baze/Hood or Tolliver/Hood be considered a high quality starting forward duo? I think we both know the answer is no, but for some reason you do not want to say it. Why is that?

 

Herzonja is garbage and doesn't fit well on any good team. Neither Bazemore nor Hood are as good as Chief or Harkless. Best advanced stats BPM & RPM agree with me and it's not close. W/L record will also agree with me even once we get Collins back. Nurk is way way better than Whiteside, altough Whiteside is a good player. You can't compare Collins to Aminu since we should have both of them.

 

I know that's what you said but I'm just not buying it

Aminu-Kanter-Harkless-Curry-Layman-Meyers-Turner

were replaced by

Whiteside-Bazemore-Hezonja-Tolliver-Little-Gasol

how is the 2nd group more talented than the first? You just can't make any credible argument for the assertion other than blind faith and Olshey bullshit; especially considering the age of Tolliver & Gasol...

....and especially considering that Nurkic was talent the rotation had last year and might not have till February; and even then might not be anywhere near what he was last season

 

One of things that I have noticed are Baze and Herzonja don't play within themselves the way Mo and Chief did. Like they don't quite seem to understand they are role players or what their roles are and they try to do too much, particularly with the dribbling and the passing.

Another is body language. Mostly the new guys. Whereas our guys last year seemed to, I don't know, have a pride and a quiet confidence, these guys seem almost aloof, cocky, detached. Maybe that's unfair to say, because I can't read their minds, but they just don't look as engaged as the guys the last couple of years. You know, like maybe they feel like fill-ins or something, not really as committed to the organization or the city as the other guys we had here.

And it even looks to me like Dame is frustrated. Again, it could be just me. But facial expressions, body language. I don't know. It just feels off.

 

Newsflash, most teams don’t have the luxury to have all of their positions

Newsflash, most teams don’t have high quality starters at all positions. Hood is definitely high quality, Tolliver not so much. I answered your question.

The Clippers start Patrick Patterson at forward, Nuggets start Torrey Craig.

 

If you think Hood is a high quality starting SF, I don't think we can have a reasonable discussion moving forward. I like the guy, but he's been wildly inconsistent his entire career, was traded for two benchwarmers, and has never made more than the MLE in his career. You would be hard pressed to find many starting SFs that meet that criteria.

We agree, Tolliver is hot garbage (as a starter).

Back to my original point: when you start sub-standard forwards, you are going to be liable to have performances like tonight. It comes with the territory when you have a roster (with injuries) like this.

 

Kanter and Hood played like a quarter of the season with us, so I didn't count them. We could get someone at the trade deadline this year that would be on a par with their acquisitions.

And what blind faith and Olshey bs? I was pretty clear I thought the Tolliver and Pau signings were misguided in the overall scheme of things. But I don't see how anyone can look at last year's rotation for the first 55 games last year man for man and make any reasonable argument that it's more talented that this year's, going off of actual performance heading into this season.