Game Thread GAME# 75: BLAZERS @ HAWKS - MARCH 29, 2019 - FRIDAY, 4:30 PM, NBCSNW

Sativa > indica

 

Hell I am not worried about Trent about him firing up shots I would too if I only see the floor a short time once in awhile. He shot decent against Chicago with more minutes I think he went 2-3 with 3 pointer.

 

The Kings can still catch OKC ... If OKC didn't sweep us (with the help of the refs) ... where would they be today?

 

So larry bird 2.0 plays most of his time with Dame and ET plays with the second unit. Easy to manipulate stats. the only stat LB2.0 had better tonight was points fewer rebounds and assists. So ET should maybe shoot more and pass less.

 

I thought Cup left?

 

Why do you keep calling him Larry Bird 2.0? And you said "all you care about is points" while all you care about is basic box score stats? Even your use of box score stats is bad.

Per 100 Possessions:
Pts - Layman 19.4, Turner 14.4
Rebs - Turner 9.5, Layman 8.2
Asts - Turner 8.1, Layman 1.9
Efficiency (TS%) - Layman 59.6, Turner 48.9
ORtg - Layman 117, Turner 101
DRtg - Layman 112, Turner 111
Net Rating - Layman +5, Turner -10

So you think that Turner is better because of an extra 1.3 rebounds per 100 possessions, which is more than offset due to the fact that Layman runs the floor much better than Turner because he's not trying to get every single rebound, no matter if it's from his teammate?
You think that taking the ball out of more skilled players (Lillard, McCollum, Curry, Hood, Kanter, etc.) and putting it in Turners is a good thing because he gets assists?
Do you know what floor spacing is?
Do you not understand ORtg, DRtg, Net Rating, and how that shows how the team performs with given player on the court?
Do you really put more weight in basic box score stats than advanced metrics?

 

We are on longest win streak in NBA and are only team 9-1 in last 10. All without CJ.

 

CJ dropped 35 on the Clips in LA.

 

CJs only been gone for 5 or 6 games.

 

6 games. My post wasn’t clear since I threw in 9-1. The winning streak is without CJ.

 

You don't think that fact that Jake plays with the Dame a lot more then ET does doesn't have an impact on his numbers? So yes I do look at basic stats, because playing with Dame makes 2.0 numbers look better. ET makes other players better by setting them up. LB2.0 does not make anybody better. So you still think LB2.0 is worth 10-12 million a year?

 

What if I honestly dont really think either are that good. I mean I LOVED the stretch of awesome that Layman had, and I love how active he is. I just think he’s at best a role player until he can do that more then a few weeks a season.

I know bones and I have discussed our thoughts on ET and he thinks he’s worse then I do (or so it seems), but really ET was only really good the 1st month or so of the season too.

One gets paid way too much (NO’s fault, not ET’s), but to me you could fairly easily come up with there production with other NBA players. The one thing layman has is it appears he’s still getting better. ET isnt.

 

SIGH. If Turner "made players better", then you wouldn't have to excuse him having a -10 net rating by him not being able to play enough with great players. Especially when other bench players have much better net ratings than he does. Even when Turner plays with Dame and C.J. (which he's done in past years), he still has a similarly negative net rating when compared to other players. But look at this:

Bench Players ORTG/DRTG (NET RATING)
Curry - 114/114 (0)
Collins - 112/110 (+2)
Hood - 116/113 (+3)
Layman - 117/112 (+5)
Kanter - 121/109 (+12)
Turner - 101/111 (-10)

EVERY Rotation player has an even or better net rating with Portland, except for Turner who's a MINUS 10. You're seriously going to try and explain that insane discrepancy by saying "he doesn't play enough with Dame / CJ?"

Turner CANT play with Dame, because he HAS to have the ball in his hands to be effective, and taking the ball out of Lillards hands to put in Turner's isn't a good thing, and Turner playing off of Dame makes things 10 times harder on Dame. Turner is the worst player to have on the court with Dame and C.J. He's bad without them too.

You don't value RPM, BPM, or WS/48, or anything else like that? Because they all rate Turner horribly.

At this point, I don't think you'll listen to logic, or proof.

 

The thing is, Layman is 10 times more helpful when he doesn't have the ball. When he does have the ball, he scores more, and is MUCH more efficient. Turner is the type of player who has to dominate the ball because he can't play without it, and any possession that doesn't end in Turner assisting someone else is usually an empty possession due to his inefficiency, due to how terrible the spacing is, someone not cashing in an assist for him, etc.

But you got this guy ignoring the 92% of possessions Turner is on the floor that doesn't end in an assist, while choosing to only focus on the 8% of possessions that do. Turner's playmaking is his only "good" skill, and it only produces a positive result of 1 out of every 12 possessions.

 

Well. He’s one of the best that’s ever played the game.

 

Evan Turner?

 

Yeah I agree. Id rather play Layman than Turner. Ideal situation at this point, Id probably rather not play either extended minutes though.

 

To be fair on this. The schedule without CJ has been pretty good. Not to take anything away from the wins. But they could not have had much easier a schedule to play.