<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Mar 5 2008, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He wasn't jacking out fad away three's. He was fading away from to top of the key as you can see on the chart.</div> 3:47, 2nd quarter: Carter comes off Krstic high screen for a hand off and shoot play. Made the shot. It was a rhythm jumper. 2:45, 2nd quarter: The exact same play and shot as before, except he missed it. 3:26, 3rd quarter: Came off a Krstic high pick and put up a semi contested fadeaway jumper. 11:18, 4th quarter: Came off a screen for a midrange catch and shoot jumper. 10:11, 4th quarter: Comes down in transition and tries to shake Ginobli with the dribble a little and then pulled up for a jumper. So he wasn't putting up these oh so ridiculous fadeaway jumpersfrom the top of the key either, except maybe that one at 3:26 in the 3rd quarter. There wasn't really anything wrong with his shot selection and certainly nothing deserving of Lame Ball.
Fact is you have to expect Carter to take fade away shots, even in crunch times or critical moments. The reason is that fade-away shots are one of his weapons, not one of his last resort shots. For other players, yes, fade aways are a last resort, but for Vince, it's one of his offensive weapons, that's just the way he is. Drive for the foul/layin one play, drive for the assist the next, and fade away for the next play. It might seem simple, or even dumb to some people, but that's just the way he plays and it's shown to be effective for him. Of course I'm just like everyone when I'm yelling while watching the game for him to drive, but you have to just accept the player that he is
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Mar 5 2008, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Mar 5 2008, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He wasn't jacking out fad away three's. He was fading away from to top of the key as you can see on the chart.</div> 3:47, 2nd quarter: Carter comes off Krstic high screen for a hand off and shoot play. Made the shot. It was a rhythm jumper. 2:45, 2nd quarter: The exact same play and shot as before, except he missed it. 3:26, 3rd quarter: Came off a Krstic high pick and put up a semi contested fadeaway jumper. 11:18, 4th quarter: Came off a screen for a midrange catch and shoot jumper. 10:11, 4th quarter: Comes down in transition and tries to shake Ginobli with the dribble a little and then pulled up for a jumper. So he wasn't putting up these oh so ridiculous fadeaway jumpersfrom the top of the key either, except maybe that one at 3:26 in the 3rd quarter. There wasn't really anything wrong with his shot selection and certainly nothing deserving of Lame Ball. </div> Vince Carters fourth quarter.
SOOO somebody make the memphis thread... lets go nets!!! lets win tonite and steal one in NOH and beat dallas... a man can a dream
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Mar 5 2008, 07:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vince Carters fourth quarter. </div> OK, AND“? I already addressed 4 of those shots he took. The two 3's ( one open transition 3 and one desperation 3 to beat the shot clock. Both misses) And two jumpers at the top of the key (one pull up jumper in transition and one catch and shoot midrange jumper. Both misses.) What does his 4th quarter chart shot have to do with your original assertion that he was taking crazy fadeaway jumpers at critical points of the game? And I just want to add that I'm not against Carter using fadeaway jumpers in his offense. They have their usefulness especially against stingy defenses where you have to hit tough jumpshots to score.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Mar 5 2008, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You don't notice how there is no shots down low?</div> There are two shots down and around in the paint. And what happened to your point about Carter taking bad fadeaway jumpers at critical times during the game to earn him a lame ball?
Those shots are still not attacking. My points were he took stupid shots when we were close. You do not get it?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Mar 5 2008, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Those shots are still not attacking. My points were he took stupid shots when we were close. You do not get it?</div> Not attacking? One of those was Vince backing his defender down deep into the paint and putting in a semi-hook shot. The second attempt was hard cut into the lane and spinning away to get an open look in the paint for a short jumper which he missed. And your "point" about Carter taking stupid shots when the game was close is wrong. I already addressed it. Don't you get it?
I watched the game and saw stupid ass shots. Like you stated he is a back down scorer yet he kept shooting not from the post. He tried to shoot us back like Kobe when he isn't Kobe.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Mar 5 2008, 08:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I watched the game and saw stupid ass shots. Like you stated he is a back down scorer yet he kept shooting not from the post. He tried to shoot us back like Kobe when he isn't Kobe.</div> You keep saying he was taking stupid fadeaway jumpers which hurt the Nets when the game was close but you haven't provided anything to back it up. I just went through several of his possessions showing that he wasn't taking all these stupid fadeaways like you said and he wasn't deserving of a lame ball. In fact, he was one of the better Nets out there. But yet you still don't seem to get it. He might have missed some shots but they weren't bad attempts. You have offered nothing of substance in this discussion.
12 million dollars is how much he is getting paid. He is getting paid to play not sit around for 42 minutes and take a couple off balance shots. I know he had some good moments and refs were bad but it is no excuse after a miss, to attempt again and again the same shit shot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Mar 5 2008, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>12 million dollars is how much he is getting paid. He is getting paid to play not sit around for 42 minutes and take a couple off balance shots. I know he had some good moments and refs were bad but it is no excuse after a miss, to attempt again and again the same shit shot.</div> Are you for real? How many times do I have to repeat this? He wasn't taking all these bad fadeaway jumpers(or are you going with "off-balance" now?) you keep saying he was. And he was one of the better Nets attacking the basket in the game. And he took like 2-3 shots where he was against the shotclock and made one them. And with the Nets down going into the 4th I would hope Carter looks to be more assertive looking to put the ball in the hole. Just because he might not always go on a huge scoring run doesn't mean he shouldn't attempt it. And if your complaining why he couldn't score in the paint on every offensive touch then I'll just leave you to your own madness.
He was! He wasn't setting up for his shot. He at least has a better percentage when he is not fading left right or back. If you didn't notice, Carter didn't go to the basket at all in the fourth so every offensive touch driving would be insane on Carters part because heck, maybe he'd play above average.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Mar 5 2008, 09:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He was! He wasn't setting up for his shot. He at least has a better percentage when he is not fading left right or back. If you didn't notice, Carter didn't go to the basket at all in the fourth so every offensive touch driving would be insane on Carters part because heck, maybe he'd play above average.</div> I'm only going to ask you one more time. Point out where he was taking all these terrible fadeaway jumpers. If you won't then I'll just assume you have nothing of substance to offer.
