Game three Summer league game thread

Watching the games, it seemed like most of his two point shots are at the rim though. He's had at least two dunks, and two 1 foot lay ins. That is 4 of his 6 shots. Not seeing how that equates to the Liam Neeson (certain skill set) You said he has Claver's intangables, with one very important one, he can shoot. I don't really see how 2 shots outside of 1 foot can show you he is a better shooter than Claver. That's all.

 

I am. I have been saying that as well.

 

In terms of the eye test, Claver had the yips, Layman doesn't. Layman shoots with confidence and without hesitation, whether he makes the shot, or not. He'll be fine once he adjusts to the longer 3-point distance. Claver never shot with confidence. He hesitated and avoided shooting even when wide open.

Layman's 3-point shooting improved every year he was in college. That, along with his confidence and shooting form are good indications that his 3-point shooting will be fine once he has had time to adjust to the longer 3-point distance.

Claver played professionally in Europe, where the 3-point line is closer to the NBA distance. His poor shooting had less to do with distance. Hell, Claver is a shitty FT shooter (never shot above 70% in the 7 seasons he played in Europe prior to the NBA and a career .585 FT shooter in the NBA). Good shooters make their FTs. As with his 3-point shooting, Layman improved his FT shooting every year he was in college to the point where he shot .832 as a senior. He wasn't quite a 50/40/90 guy as a senior, but he was fairly close (.500/.396/.832). FT shooting has nothing to do with distance. Claver was just a poor shooter. Layman is not.

BNM

 

You make good points, but in your opinion, why was he selected 47th, and not even on some mock drafts?

 

Guys drop for all kinds of reasons, especially 4-year players. The draft is all about potential. Guys with 4-years of college are seen with having less upside than the latest 19-year old wunderkind. It's why Draymond Green was a second rounder and Wesley Matthews went undrafted.

BNM

 

My guess is the mocks left him off because he was not the top scorer on his team (4th) and since he would be playing a position in the NBA where shooting is essential, he was over looked. I bet other NBA scouts were high on....just not internet website scouts.

Plus he could be considered a tweener by some. Which often hurts the perception of the player.

Edit: Maryland had 5 guys who averaged between 11 and 15 pts per game. Layman averaged 11.6

 

You think they would eventually learn, right? (The GM's)

Also, given the new money in the NBA, a player that takes 3-4 years to develop, is only going to start producing at the end of his rookie deal, which then cascades in a huge second contract as opposed to the 4-year starter which can contribute by possibly 2nd year on his rookie contract.

 

They never will, because each GM is hoping to roll the dice and draft a super star. They aren't hoping to draft a role player.

 

Claver shot .362 from 3pt. and .533 from the field in Euro league

So again, saying Layman has something Claver doesn't in shooting is complete nonsense.

 

He also played on a team with very balanced scoring (all five starters averaged between 11.3 and 14.8 ppg). A 4th year senior who averages 11.6 ppg isn't going to turn a lot of heads. Layman was the 5th option (in terms of FGA), but the most efficient scorer (highest TS%) of the five.

BNM

 

Ya, it's weird. I get it, I suppose, but I don't really agree with it

 

Neil Olshey says hi

 

Before or after he played for the Blazers? What was the sample size? I was referring to the 7 seasons HD played for Valencia before joining the Blazers. He showed no consistent improvement in his 3-point shooting or FT shooting during those 7 years.

BNM

 

I like Layman intangible on the court and Claver didn't get a chance in Portland. But due to players in front of him I don't see much playing time. But if Portland don't sign Harkless that could change.

 

Yep and this is why solid players keep dropping to the end of the 1st round, and are available when SA picks. They just keep grabbing these good role players they can develop. You don't have to be in the lottery to find good players.

I understand the philosophy of tanking to get super stars, but I still think you only want to be in the lottery 1 or 2 years in a row. Anymore and it takes a toll on the franchise. and the players want out. If you hit a bad spell, fine......draft wisely and make moves to get better as soon as you can. THEN be smart and continue to find good players late in the draft. There always seems to be a few that teams over look.

 

When was the last time a future superstar was taken in the second half of the second round? Perhaps once they get that far down the list, they should shift their focus to finding productive role players. Every team needs them, and the odds are much greater of finding one that late in the draft than finding a superstar. Neil seems to get this. I'm fine with him looking for productive role players with his 2nd round picks while other less savvy GMs swing for the fences and miss.

BNM

 

Steph Curry shot 32.5% from the field in summer league in 2009 (I don't know three point percentage because they didn't track it.)

Klay Thompson shot 52% from the field and 71.4% from three in 2012 summer league.

Dame shot 43.8% from the field and 38% from three in 2012.

Redick didn't play in summer league.

I tried to look up Claver but I couldn't find him on any of the summer league stat sheets. Didn't he play in summer league?

 

Before Portland in Euro league he was .286, .362, .386, .324, .394, .349

Before Portland for Valencia he was .286, .377, .405, .320, .404, .364

Never shot it a ton, but over 100 times in three of those seasons.

As for FT shooting, taking out his first year, where he took 14 and made 6, he started at .617 and ended at .780. Seems like consistent improvement, unless I am not understanding. that seems to happen a lot to me, apparently.

In Portland he started at .467 and ended at .909, but that is a really small sample size

 

I couldn't find him either. I thought he did, but maybe he was playing Euroleague or something?

 

I swear he played though. It's driving me nuts.