Gardner...some things never change.

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    Is he on this site?
     
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    Yeah. Wait til the games count.
     
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    Saw an interview during tonights game vs Det with Meredith and Gardner.
    Gardy was 1-2, 1BB with 2 SB.
    First thing he brought up was "I was able to get on base".
    Then later on regarding his 2 SB ..."you know, the more you run, the more banged up you get".
    No doubt, I do agree he could/should be more agressive with his SB atts, but maybe, possibility, this could also be a case of -
    ....be careful what you wish for?
    (getting "banged up").

    Just how many SBs do "we" expect from this guy? 30? 40? 50?
    I don't know...pick a number. :
    But I do believe (imho), first and foremost, he must improve on last year's .327 OBP and cut down on his Ks, he had 134 last year.
    Putting the ball in play more often kinda raises your chances of getting on base, lol.

    If he does those things, Everything else will take care of itself.
    He should have better overrall offensive numbers AND he'll have his "good" SB totals even if he isn't very aggressive.

    Last year he hit a surprising 17 HRs but batted below.260 with a disappointing OBP and 134 Ks.
    Did he become too HR happy instead of trying to make more contact and getting his ass on base more often?
    I'll gladly exchange a couple/few less HRs from Gardner in favor of raising his BA and OBP 20(?) points higher.
     
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    He will never improve if he insists on watching good pitches go by every ab. He's constantly at two strikes which obviously hurts him.
     
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    Over his last 4 full seasons if my math is right after eliminating HRs, doubles & triples & counting only the times he made it to 1st base (singles & walks)

    2010 attempted a SB 31.1% of the time
    2011 attempted a SB 39.8% of the time
    2013 attempted a SB 21.2% of the time
    2014 attempted a SB 17.4% of the time.

    Note: please don't mention OBP because these #s have nothing to do with that, Gardner for some reason is just not attempting a SB as much as he use to.
     
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    ...yup, brought this up a few times.

    ...You wanna really blow your mind?...go check out his career split stats with 2 strikes on him and then look at his stats on first pitch swinging.

    ...yeah, he draws a few walks but he also throws aways a lot of ABs by standing watching the 3rd strike go by.
     
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    ESPN Magazine's dismal forecast for the Yanx this year, 81-81

    We all have higher hopes than this.....

    I'd guess 86 Wins, 76 Losses......
     
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    Doesn't look promising at all......!
     
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    I really don't see them exceeding last years win total.
     
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    That makes two of us, and I bet more of our posters would say the same, or have so far, except one......!
     
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    Told you capn Gardner has a plan.
     
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    I understand and agree he seems too timid regarding SB atts and I'll go along with your numbers. We've been down this road before, maybe we're just simply at odds as to what we would prefer if he doesn't return to, or never becomes more agressive?
    His three highest single SB totals also correlate with his three highest OBPs (full season)..lol.

    Okay, I guess we can't go any further with this one, some believe if he can steal 15-20 more bases it will be the difference between the Yankees being a playoff team or pennant contender... World Series?
    (isn't that what we're realistically talking about here?)
     
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    More SBs = more players in scoring position = chance for more runs. Simple math.
     
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    Okay, I guess we can't go any further with this one, some believe if he can steal 15-20 more bases it will be the difference between the Yankees being a playoff team or pennant contender... World Series?
    (isn't that what we're realistically talking about here?)
    Whatever.....
     
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    Not a case of SOME believing, it's fact. Like I said.......simple math.
     
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    and I thought you said it was A-Roid with the Plan? Correct that, "A-Roid is the Face of the Franchise"?
     
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    I don't understand, let's try it this way.

    Simple math, fact- if Gardner can steal 23-26 more bases it will be the difference whether or not the Yankees are a playoff team and World Series contender.
    His two highest single season SB totals are 47 and 49. Then 26, 24, 21.
     
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    The point wasn't stolen bases. It was the amount of strike outs and watching too many good pitches sail by. In short his obp is most important so he can actually score runs.
     
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    You said SOME BELIEVE which you conveniently left out this time, I corrected you. The low SB totals over the last 2 seasons is because he stopped running. Did this really need explaining?
     
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