I appreciate that Denny and hoojacks have tried (and tried and tried and tried) to explain in the simplest possible terms and have provided links to more information. I have given up. The information is available to anyone who wants to learn. At a certain point one must accept that some people just don't want to learn. It's too comfortable to ridicule people who are different from them. Or they just consider that ignorance is not only bliss but preferable. Or both.
In what way do/did I ridicule anyone, even in the hypotheticals (except you and Denny for being the thought police)? That's absurd. Go Blazers
Your hypotheticals were rather silly. As silly as the one I propose, but it has way more value. Hypothetical: Suppose you magically choose to become gay. 1. It won't happen, you have to be born that way. 2. Just like transgender, there's no magic to "turn" that way. (Either proposition - you turning gay, some transgender changing their mind, is absurd on the face of it) Then: 1. If you don't act on your new gayness, are you gay? Why? It doesn't show in any way, shape or form. 2. Just like transgender, the person may not present as his/her true gender. And, There is an element of choice simply in choosing to act on being gay or transgender. You seem confused about this. Read the words a few times. Finally, It's not so black and white. There are lots of men who wear women's clothes who aren't transgender. I know a gay man who tells me he dresses like a woman once in a very great while for some event. The monty python guys dress up in drag for many of their skits; they're not transgender.
I feel the same way, but towards you guys. You guys are looking at the picture in one way, and one way only. I was looking at your guys' view. I was also looking at the other views, because they also exist.
You are absolutely right. There are neo-nazi www sites because they have views that exist. Is it too PC to say their views are 100% wrong?
Gonna have to agree with you. I think it's funny that people would bash those with opinions other than theirs; using the same tactics they find disgusting.
You are exaggerating the obvious to support your argument. So fucking what about the neo nazis opinions. There are many other groups that share similar views. You used an extreme to get a desired reaction.
Example of Denny hyperbole. Any Poster "Kites use wind and resistance to float in the sky" Denny "Neo Nazis use wind to guide their bullets into black skulls; therefor you must hate kites!"
No shit. I'm considering and accepting the views of biological sex AND phsycological sex/gender. That's how I understand things. That's how I view things. That's how I live my life, balancing those two viewpoints. Instead, I am being told I am close-minded and wrong because I view and accept those two different perspectives, as opposed to living by the psychological sex/gender viewpoint only. I'd argue that while those that view the psychological sex/gender viewpoint may be more compassionate towards individual people and how they choose to live their life, those that can understand the multiple viewpoints are more open-minded in general.
Extremely stupid example. Those are viewpoints. Google "biological sex" as I told you to do before (in a post you chose to ignore because it was inconvenient to your point). Biological sex is a legit part of science. Just as psychological sex, or gender, as it's being referred to here.
Exactly... Opinions can be wrong to one and right to another. Some people need to practice what they preach.
I can't speak for the other posters who are arguing the same (basic) points that I am, but I will say this: I used to see it differently. I used to feel pretty strongly that I shouldn't have to call a transgendered person the opposite of what they really are. It felt intellectually dishonest. I also used to resent the people who were so adamant that I changed my behavior. Somewhere along the line, I completely reversed my opinions. There was no "aha!" moment of logic gifted to me by inane arguing on a basketball forum. I think two things happened: I got older and I actually got to know some transgendered people. As I got older I stopped worrying about "being right/correct." Something in me calmed down. When I met two transgendered friends of mine and listened to what they had to say about their gender, that had an effect. But I think most importantly when I became good friends with them I got to view them as normal people and not some kind of puzzle I had to solve. So, no, I don't think the opposite side is "wrong." I think it's about respect. If you're going to go through the effort of calling someone what they identify as to their face, why turn around and not do that when they leave? To prove a point to yourself? To reassure those around you that you don't really mean what you said? When I used to do this, it's because it just felt wrong. I couldn't muster a logical argument for it. And over time, I got over that feeling and I attribute it to the natural human prejudice towards the other. We hate it when we can't easily categorize somebody. We categorize them anyway and insist we're correct because of LOGICAL REASONS X, Y, AND Z (and of course not because they are imposters, delusional, or perverts.)
All the power to you brother! Its a good way of looking at things. What the real problem here isn't the difference of opinions; but the way one side is calling the other. Personally I don't care too much about this topic. I'm just not in contact with many transgender people. Until one converts completely; he is still a he to me.
I just (totally randomly, I swear) saw this web comic about a gay guy who dates transgendered men. It's baaaarely safe for work and/or bitter old men. https://medium.com/the-nib/fccd8118b6f9
