Give your best answer... Did the universe have a beginning or not

Well as I recall, the original text is in Hebrew. So I believe the author of Who wrote the Bible, took that as a clue, the original author of Genesis was a Hebrew.
Then I believe he speculated the author was probably member of the Cohen-Levi tribe, a Rabbi.

 

I don't know, and neither does anybody else.

 

been weeks since I watched this, but IIRC what he was saying is the BGV theorem indicates classical models (specifically) break down. all that means is an understanding of quantum gravity (which we don't have) is needed to explain or progress "beyond" the big bang, which isn't news.

he exposed Craig's misunderstanding/rhetorical misrepresentation of modern cosmology far better than anyone ever has. I am the first to admit that Craig rarely loses debates even though his positions are silly, but in this one he wasn't close.

there are broad models that work in principal with no meaningful way to test, yes.

 

Ah I get it now... You don't have a mind if your own, and just like breaking down other's beliefs. Safe...

I will ask you again to give your input, or you don't have a mind if your own?

 

My personal belief is God always was.

 

As I pointed out, there is no working model. Instead, use your logic to give ur own opinion. There is no wrong answer here.

 

Okay, here's what would surprise me the least: it's a cycle, just like everything else in nature.

Also, thinking in terms of "before" the big bang seems wrong to me. Time is a pretty arbitrary construction, and is just another dimension in which the universe moves. Our vantage point is what changes as we move through it, so things appear to change. But I think you a second ago is no less real than you right now. So in that sense, I feel that the universe is infinite, and we are as but microbes immersed in it

 

I actually like that a lot. I'm a big believer of "cycles", sense I deal with it so much in my professional. Seems the most "real" to me.

Thanks bro

 

How is "I don't know" wrong?

 

Only atheist can view themselves as microbes. The rest of us that know we have been created to have much more value.

 

'Tis an infinite monster.

Even though the Big Bang kinda removed this idea but even that is merely a theory.

 

No.

Precisely speaking, beginning and end are 2 concepts which have never been recorded or observed because they don't exist. There is no such thing as beginning and end, only redistribution of energy and matter.

Like god, they are man's feeble attempt to change reality into something basic that he can hold onto.

 

That contradicts your belief that the universe had a beginning.

 

The rest of you, whoever you are, see the observable universe and say, "this is all for us." It takes a special kind of willful ignorance to think we are special in the grand scheme of things.

 

dude! why so confrontational?

I said I don't know. I don't even know how to think about the question.

 

Ok, kind of an offshoot of Mags' question -- explain dark matter.

And no, I'm not talking about Haynes



I kid, I kid.

 

No the first thing I saw from u was immediately acting in some defense, like it was some Christian vs atheism debate.

This is debated among naturalists bro. And as I said, there is no wrong answer. Just wondering what people are leaning towards

 

For me, I break the question into two parts. 1, was there a beginning to our specific universe? 2, is there something outside of our universe that had a beginning?

For #1, yes, I think most likely, although I am perfectly open to being wrong, I think our specific universe had a beginning. Most models have this, the big bang is an example of it. Of course the big bang could be a stage after the collapse of the previous stage of the universe. But considering that our universe is in our time, and that time would been broken at the big bang, even if there were a universe precipitating ours, that would be in another time construct, meaning that our universe would have still have had a specific beginning.

As for #2, I have no feeling one way or another. I like reading theories about it, but once you talk about a construct outside of our laws, I really can't even start to comprehend what that means. I try, but if I think long enough I just go bat shit crazy.

 

How so?