Tech Global warming: greatest sham in science

Also keep in mind the fact that electricity is a secondary form of energy in most cases. Most of it is created by burning coal and/or natural gas. A coal or natural gas run vehicle would literally be more efficient than one that runs on electricity generated from coal or natural gas. Less energy lost converting it into another form. Electric cars seem awesome for the people in the cities who keep the plants that power their cars out of sight and out of mind.

 

She wore her Geo out. About 220K I think. Damn good little machine. IT does
do about 52 on the mpg.

You don't think the Yaris compared to the Prius is valid? Given she wants a Toyota and the best mpg she can get, what would you compare?

 

She doesn't give a shit about the increased room, She would take a hybrid Yaris if they made one.
The reason they don't is because they can't. So the comparison is exactly right. The bigger car is part of the cost, need the bigger machine to haul the fucking battery.

 

This is just plain wrong.

Even within the Toyota family - you have the Prius C (the sub-compact) which is the same size (sub-compact) as the Yaris. The Prius is a larger car in a different class. The difference in price between the Prius C and Yaris is $4.5K not $11K

http://bestride.com/news/hybrid-or-gas-toyota-prius-c-vs-yaris

One could guess that the Yaris and Prius C share the same bones under it - but I am not certain as some of the interior dimensions are a little different, if this is because of the battery location or other consideration I am not sure - that's why I used cars that have the exact same name and structure.

 

AH! That's good. I did not know about those little buggers.
It will only take 19 years to make up the difference. I suppose that will take two more batteries. Not sure what that would be cost wise.

 

no comparison with a more expensive Prius than either the Yaris or the low end Prius...this is what we chose...about 24k new back in 2013....no complaints..leg room...I've gotten 69 mpg from Eugene to Corvalis taking 99 many times...drove it from Western Lane County to Portland and back once for 8 bucks worth of petrol taking I-5..the 14k Prius C is not nearly the car ...

 

Actually, if we compare like to like (automatic to automatic) the difference in price is $3,800 (the bigger difference is when comparing to the manual)

https://www.thecarconnection.com/ca...-vs-toyota_yaris_2018?trims=40059799,40060376

The Yaris has a combined MPG of 35, the Prius C has a combined MPG of 48. At $4 / gallon (what we are paying here now, you might be paying less in Oregon) you are looking at 7 years to pay the difference.

But, the sub-compacts are an extreme example where the regular ICE car is already very efficient. If you move a size up to a corolla vs. Prius - you are looking at around 6 years to pay the difference. You go up to a small CUV - a Kia Nero vs a Kia Sportage for example, and within 4.5 years you cover the difference.

 

Perhaps I am just a skeptic, but I just don't believe 93 pound battery runs that car far.
I have 1000 pound of batteries in the boat to run a few electronics a day.

 

She just doesn't need a bigger rig than her 4 door Yaris. I had it out last week, and filled it @ $2.79 a gallon.
But I do think I will look into one. I like to plug in and charge rather than buy gas, so if that is now possilbe then as
@riverman points out. 69 mpg will make a big friggin difference even part of the time.

 

If the math does not work, I do not think it makes sense to change unless it makes her happy.

My wife really wanted an ev - would have been cheaper to stick with ice or get a hybrid, but she really likes the ev experience, so we got one. She loved it so much, she is on her 2nd, and to be fair, for her needs, it is much nicer than a gas car. But it certainly cost more for now

 

Well there are some other reason that I like for her. Less trips to the gas station, and the ability to plug in at home. Hell she could get huge mph numbers. But then just looking a few moments ago, auto High beam head lights. Damn it! she is terrible at not using the high beams. She hit a deer a couple weeks ago, picking up the grandsons. A glancing blow this time but crap! Did you have the high beams on? I don't remember. It took the passenger side mirror off, that was about it. I like the idea of auto highbeams!!!
And plug it in. I might really like her to have autopilot.

 

I am not an expert on whatever the options are on the different Prius options - but I can tell you from experience that some of the benefits of EV are real. No gas station visits, no real maintenance, instant acceleration - these are real perks for everyday driving.

I personally really appreciate the no maintenance bit - I have nothing to do with keeping my wife's car operational - so more time to deal with what seems like a broken (physically cracked) Weber 40 on my '67 Alfa.

 

Yes yes!
I totally use all of my wrench power on my boat. I never touch a vehicle.

 

Oh my, Troll on the loose.

 

Heavy mothers. By Trojan.

Mostly T-125s

 

I saw a steam engine this summer in Cathlamet. A tree cylinder triple expansion engine that ran a 20 foot boat. What marvelous little beast it was. The fire box worked with small wood chunks or coal. Probably well with pellets too I imagine. I would love to have it in my boat to use as heater and generate 12volt power. The whole thing weighed about 100 pounds. Tested to produce 4 hp.

Four Hp would gen about 100 amps of 12 volt power. The alternator would add maybe 15 pounds. That would be a gem running on pellets and coal chips, with a 400 rpm piston engine running on the fantail. Probably couldn't even hear it.