<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Aug 8 2008, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 8 2008, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Aug 8 2008, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 8 2008, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud)</div><div class='quotemain'>And yes he did average 13ppg, BUT he really didnt need to score for that Lakers team.</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud)</div><div class='quotemain'>Ok the kid is 20 years old and averaged just about 13 points per game, that is not bad at all imho. And like i said before, He needs to improve offensively, but 13ppg for his first year as a starter is not so bad for a 20 year old freak.</div> </div> Also can you tell me what makes you think Oden is better than Bynum? And can you prove it? </div> How can I prove what makes me think Oden is better than Bynum? </div> You can't, that's my point. Also KC stated that Bynum had more than one knee surgery... Can someone give me a link because I truly did not know that. Thanks </div> What point is that? That you know what an opinion is? Prove to me what makes you think Bynum is better than Oden? You can't. You're not an NBA scout, you have no credibility. I never said he had more than one knee surgery. I said he's had at least one other knee injury. He missed half of his senior year of high school with a knee problem.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Aug 8 2008, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you wouldn't trade Oden straight up for Bynum, I can only conclude that you agree with Kid Chocolate and would have selected Oden before Bynum.</div> Dude you are giving me a headache. For this game (S2 Draft game) I will take Bynum over Oden every single time.. why? Because I know what Bynum provides unlike Oden who is unproven. In real life I would have to wait a year or so to make that decision, however in this game I take bynum because we dont judge on potential only, we go by if your team can beat the other team and how can you that (Show that you can beat an opponent) with a player that has never even played a game in the NBA?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Aug 8 2008, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Aug 8 2008, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you wouldn't trade Oden straight up for Bynum, I can only conclude that you agree with Kid Chocolate and would have selected Oden before Bynum.</div> Dude you are giving me a headache. For this game (S2 Draft game) I will take Bynum over Oden every single time.. why? Because I know what Bynum provides unlike Oden who is unproven. In real life I would have to wait a year or so to make that decision, however in this game I take bynum because we dont judge on potential only, we go by if your team can beat the other team and how can you that (Show that you can beat an opponent) with a player that has never even played a game in the NBA? </div> So all rookies should be picked last?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 8 2008, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Aug 8 2008, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 8 2008, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Aug 8 2008, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 8 2008, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud)</div><div class='quotemain'>And yes he did average 13ppg, BUT he really didnt need to score for that Lakers team.</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud)</div><div class='quotemain'>Ok the kid is 20 years old and averaged just about 13 points per game, that is not bad at all imho. And like i said before, He needs to improve offensively, but 13ppg for his first year as a starter is not so bad for a 20 year old freak.</div> </div> Also can you tell me what makes you think Oden is better than Bynum? And can you prove it? </div> How can I prove what makes me think Oden is better than Bynum? </div> You can't, that's my point. Also KC stated that Bynum had more than one knee surgery... Can someone give me a link because I truly did not know that. Thanks </div> What point is that? That you know what an opinion is? Prove to me what makes you think Bynum is better than Oden? You can't. You're not an NBA scout, you have no credibility. I never said he had more than one knee surgery. I said he's had at least one other knee injury. He missed half of his senior year of high school with a knee problem. </div> Lol i like that. Anyway I can prove Bynum is better than Oden simply because he has shown that he can start in one of the best team in the league and have a HUGE possitive effect on the game. While Oden hasnt. Until he (Oden) proves that he can do the same in my eyes he is inferior to the A-train Andrew Bynum. CASE CLOSED. Im tired of discussing my pick. Lets talk about someone else now
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Aug 8 2008, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 8 2008, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Aug 8 2008, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 8 2008, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Aug 8 2008, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 8 2008, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud)</div><div class='quotemain'>And yes he did average 13ppg, BUT he really didnt need to score for that Lakers team.</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud)</div><div class='quotemain'>Ok the kid is 20 years old and averaged just about 13 points per game, that is not bad at all imho. And like i said before, He needs to improve offensively, but 13ppg for his first year as a starter is not so bad for a 20 year old freak.</div> </div> Also can you tell me what makes you think Oden is better than Bynum? And can you prove it? </div> How can I prove what makes me think Oden is better than Bynum? </div> You can't, that's my point. Also KC stated that Bynum had more than one knee surgery... Can someone give me a link because I truly did not know that. Thanks </div> What point is that? That you know what an opinion is? Prove to me what makes you think Bynum is better than Oden? You can't. You're not an NBA scout, you have no credibility. I never said he had more than one knee surgery. I said he's had at least one other knee injury. He missed half of his senior year of high school with a knee problem. </div> Lol i like that. Anyway I can prove Bynum is better than Oden simply because he has shown that he can start in one of the best team in the league and have a HUGE possitive effect on the game. While Oden hasnt. Until he (Oden) proves that he can do the same in my eyes he is inferior to the A-train Andrew Bynum. CASE CLOSED. Im tired of discussing my pick. Lets talk about someone else now </div> So you'd take Kendrick Perkins is better than Oden, too?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 8 2008, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Aug 8 2008, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Aug 8 2008, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you wouldn't trade Oden straight up for Bynum, I can only conclude that you agree with Kid Chocolate and would have selected Oden before Bynum.</div> Dude you are giving me a headache. For this game (S2 Draft game) I will take Bynum over Oden every single time.. why? Because I know what Bynum provides unlike Oden who is unproven. In real life I would have to wait a year or so to make that decision, however in this game I take bynum because we dont judge on potential only, we go by if your team can beat the other team and how can you that (Show that you can beat an opponent) with a player that has never even played a game in the NBA? </div> So all rookies should be picked last? </div> Not necesarily. While you can estimate ( for this game) what a rookie might give you, at the same time you cant exaggerate and say that OJ mayo will average 25ppg in his rookie season or that Oden is going to give you 21-10 for the entire season.. theres something called the rookie wall i believe. But obviously you are not going to take Steven Hunter or Foyle over Beasley or Mayo.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 8 2008, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Aug 8 2008, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 8 2008, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Aug 8 2008, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 8 2008, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Aug 8 2008, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 8 2008, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud)</div><div class='quotemain'>And yes he did average 13ppg, BUT he really didnt need to score for that Lakers team.</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud)</div><div class='quotemain'>Ok the kid is 20 years old and averaged just about 13 points per game, that is not bad at all imho. And like i said before, He needs to improve offensively, but 13ppg for his first year as a starter is not so bad for a 20 year old freak.</div> </div> Also can you tell me what makes you think Oden is better than Bynum? And can you prove it? </div> How can I prove what makes me think Oden is better than Bynum? </div> You can't, that's my point. Also KC stated that Bynum had more than one knee surgery... Can someone give me a link because I truly did not know that. Thanks </div> What point is that? That you know what an opinion is? Prove to me what makes you think Bynum is better than Oden? You can't. You're not an NBA scout, you have no credibility. I never said he had more than one knee surgery. I said he's had at least one other knee injury. He missed half of his senior year of high school with a knee problem. </div> Lol i like that. Anyway I can prove Bynum is better than Oden simply because he has shown that he can start in one of the best team in the league and have a HUGE possitive effect on the game. While Oden hasnt. Until he (Oden) proves that he can do the same in my eyes he is inferior to the A-train Andrew Bynum. CASE CLOSED. Im tired of discussing my pick. Lets talk about someone else now </div> So you'd take Kendrick Perkins is better than Oden, too? </div> Read last post please.
I think if I were an NBA GM drafting from a pool of all NBA players I would select Greg Oden over Andrew Bynum. If I had Oden I would never trade him for Bynum. If I had Bynum I'd trade him for Oden in a second. Who disagrees with this?
Oh, I see. More people who think being an NBA GM means the world will blow up in June, 2009. Now it's not just a matter of picking old players, but a justification for picking worse prospects over better ones. Bleh. Let's just base the whole draft on 1998.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Aug 8 2008, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think if I were an NBA GM drafting from a pool of all NBA players I would select Greg Oden over Andrew Bynum. If I had Oden I would never trade him for Bynum. If I had Bynum I'd trade him for Oden in a second. Who disagrees with this?</div> I dont care who agrees or disagrees with this statement. It would be very stupid for a GM to give up a young franchise-type player in Bynum for an unproven "Believed to be franchise-type player" AKA Greg Oden. I would think most GMs would want to wait and see how Oden performs before wasting a very very good player for him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Aug 8 2008, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh, I see. More people who think being an NBA GM means the world will blow up in June, 2009. Now it's not just a matter of picking old players, but a justification for picking worse prospects over better ones. Bleh. Let's just base the whole draft on 1998.</div> How is this helpful to the conversation at hand? This just makes you look like a douchebag. Nothing else. Im done until someone actually wants to have an intelligent conversation. Peace out hombres.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Aug 8 2008, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not necesarily. While you can estimate ( for this game) what a rookie might give you, at the same time you cant exaggerate and say that OJ mayo will average 25ppg in his rookie season or that Oden is going to give you 21-10 for the entire season.. theres something called the rookie wall i believe. But obviously you are not going to take Steven Hunter or Foyle over Beasley or Mayo.</div> But they've never done anything in the NBA. I'd rather take a guy who has shown he can put up 5 ppg on an NBA team than a guy who hasn't even played a game in the league.
Calling me a douchebag becausd your argument is going badly is weak. Try discussion. Works better for those who know how to do it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Run BJM @ Aug 8 2008, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I nominate this as the worst thread in S2 history. Where did it all go wrong?</div> Well you need to have the post of the year in this thread, in order for that to happen, and I think we have a winner. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Aug 8 2008, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Im done until someone actually wants to have an intelligent conversation.</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Aug 8 2008, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Calling me a douchebag becausd your argument is going badly is weak. Try discussion. Works better for those who know how to do it.</div> You are a dooshbag who is not an NBA scout and has no credibility. If you want to have an intelligent discussion, I'm game, but I don't think you are capable.
You refused to say you would trade Oden for Bynum, and now you say a real GM would be stupid to trade Bynum for Oden. Why didn't you just say this to begin with if that's really your opinion? Not a lot of conviction there.
Well, your personal attacks will be edited leaving only your actual basketball discussion to represent you. Since that isn't very good, you should probably work to improve that instead of lashing out like a child.
