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  1. magnifier661

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    I'm aware of that, but I'm just pointing out that because the concept is still purely theoretical right?
     
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    Coming from nothing isn't a "naturalist" way of thinking. This is why I'm asking the question.

    Your concept of "obliteration" is better defined. Thank you
     
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    It's pretty clear that some creation is positive and some is negative and some is neutral, depending of course on one's definition and perception of positive.

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    I wouldn't say that is for sure. What is for sure is they readily form all over the universe. For that reason, empirically observed, there's no reason to expect here on earth to be any different.

    If anything, atmosphere, tides, liquid water on the surface, moderate temperature, molten core, magnetosphere, plate tectonics, and the molecular composition of the earth itself may have provided the right stuff for life to evolve.

    Scientists trivially cause amino acids to form in the lab. They are recently observing that clay (which doesn't exist in space) seems to assist primitive RNA molecules self replicate.

    Gaps are closing.
     
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    I don't have a belief one way or the other regarding what everything came from. But all laws of nature including the conservation of mass would not be in play. I have read several theories but have no way of aptly judging their likelihood. The one that I can understand the best is the idea of repeat active expansion and contraction from singularity to singularity, rinse, repeat. M
     
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    The creation of ObamaCare was negative.

    Case in point.
     
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    Actually the theory that this earth was "lifed" by asteroids would make more sense. Then the "universe pool" would be factored.
     
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    Lmao!
     
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    You don't see the problem with that theory? Think of entropy readings
     
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    But, can god exist in an infintesimally small gap? Perhaps as the universe expands, and the gaps are eliminated, god shrinks to a singularity. He becomes infinitely dense, as do his followers.

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    I see the problem, but I have read about it a while ago and it stuck with me. I do think I understand fully but it has to do with the universe being an open universe or a closed universe.

    Edit, I think it's called the big crunch
     
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    You are confused. God is without mass, only atheist can be dense because they are restricted to the natural world!
     
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    That's cool... I just don't agree with the universe contracting into singularity or the beginning point. The expansion concept is more logical imo.
     
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    I don't know. I was always told the catholic church had mass.

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    Insert drum roll here
     
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    Like good vs evil and those caught in the middle? On a perspective standpoint...
     
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    Expansion of the universe is accelerating. Without some massive force to slow that down, it seems likely it will expand forever.

    I don't think the big rip is the answer either. Not everything is moving away from everything else. The Milky Way and Andromeda galaxies are destined to collide. The fabric of space is expanding, though. But not the space between atoms or between nucleus and electrons. The strong force rules.

    That leaves cold and dark.
     
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    I read that "cold" is an impossibility. Meaning negative heat is impossible.
     

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