Golden State @ Indiana - 5:00PM

Mullin for the love of god sign Pietrus! He's keeping us in the game

 

I finally got Comcast DVR (their version of Tivo) and can now tape and watch the games, fast forward, rewind, all that stuff, and after dissecting tonight's game, a few things are obvious to me:

1.)At least for tonight, Baron and JRich are not good teammates. I wouldn't want to play with them. They play bone-head defense, lag on running the floor if a play doesn't go their way, JRich got owned by Stephen Jackson, and frankly every time Baron came in the game he iced his team's play like Sub-Zero.

There were a few plays that I had to rewind and watch about 5 times to make sure I wasn't hallucinating; was I? No, I wasn't -- On defense, Baron, on a pick-n-roll, would actually pick his own team-mate because he wouldn't read the switch, and intstead stand their and make a lazy swipe at the ball while his teammate's man, benefitting from a "double-screen" in effect, would waltz to the bucket. Unbelievable.

Foyle is f*ckin horrible on offense. He plays good defense, but on offense he is probably one of the sorriest players I have ever watched play the game, in the NBA or at my local gym. He is so incapable of playing offense I really feel sorry for him because he's such a nice guy. It's like some scout went over to some carribean island, found some big bafoon who didn't speak english, broght him back over to the states, and ... wait, that actually happened to Foyle. Oh my he is so incompetent. He's so horrendous that he'll actually know the play is happening, know the ball is coming, flail both arms on a poorly-run pick-n-roll like "I'm open, hey! I'm open," and Fisher says "okay, you're open, here's the ball on a f*uckin silver platter," and Foyle goes "Oh god! He actually passed me the ball, oh crap, oh please let me catch this, oh please -- okay -- here it comes, oh crap I'm so open right now, this will look like sh!t if I don't finish this play, oh sh!t, heeeeeerrrrreeeee coooommmmeesss the ballllll .... okay, I'm right under the hoop, I just have to grab this pass, oh this will be easy, okay, it's right in front of my finger tips, all 5 defenders have fallen down so no one will contest this shot, okay, steady, now just grab th..... OH SH!T!!!!! The ball bounced right off my forehead and I stumbled over myself and... oh mother-f*ckin crapola, now I'm diving head-over-heels into some camera man out-of-bounds, oh this must've looked horrible, me trying to chase this ****!n hot potato... crap I'm so horrible, wait, guys, hold on, wait up for me, I want to get back on defense..."

And so on.

Speaking of Fisher, WTF? For those of you who have praised his "decision making" in the 4th quarter, will you please come out and point to some specific plays in tonight's game? Because I'll tell you he's no goddamn veteran floor-general... that guy botches fast breaks like nobody's business. Couple that with his 1-on-1 telegraph-my-move no-chance-but-a-prayer off-the-dribble fade-away threes before a single pass has taken place, and, well, it's readily apparent that in all actually Fisher is a poor decision maker overall. He really is. He runs the 3-on-1 like it's a 1-on-3, dribbles right into the defender, refuses to pass, and jacks uip an off-balance lay-up. Seriously, watch him next time he has numbers on the break -- I'll bet you 5 bucks he doesn't make the right play and give up the f*ckin ball.

Baron's worse at decision making, though.

So on this team I can see how people come out and say "Oh I love Fisher's veteran decision making in the 4th quarter" because everyone is tired of Baron killing the momentum.

But Fisher is a poor decision maker. He is a catch-n-shoot spot-up 2 guard, not a play-calling point guard. He can't dribble very well and is slow for his size.

JRich got owned -- once again -- by Stephen Jackson. Did I mention that yet? Stephen Jackson would make the all-star team over Mr. "I-wanna-be-an-all-star" Richardson.

You can't be an all-star if you don't sprint your a$$ back on defense. If you get stripped of the ball (trying to make a flashy play) and then candy-a$$ around instead of sprinting back to make up for your mistake, IMO you suck. I hate playing with guys who don't run back on defense.

Pietrus played great tonight -- because his shots went in. If those threes didn't go down, I would have said he played poorly, because his other areas of the game were okay but missed threes would've sucked. But they went in. I guess that's chance then.

Monta Ellis was clearly the best player on the floor tonight. I would much rather have him as a teammate than Baron Davis or Jason Richardson. Man! How fun it would be to play with that kid. He's always sprinting on defense, always rotates to help, terrific attitude -- he's a better decision maker than either Baron or Fish (though that's not saying much). Once he settles into his role, his shots will start to fall too. At that point, IMO, he'll probably be the team's best overall player (though it may not show up in the stat book).

Which is a shame. That the NBA is a league of stats has degraded the game of basketball. Dunleavy and Monta are the two best players on this team, IMO. Baron and JRich are the two best talents. But tonight they played horribly as teammates. And some of the things they did weren't mistakes, they were obvious signs of ineptitude. The way Baron was blind to the switch time and again on pick-n-rolls is not a signal of laziness, it's a sign that he hasn't prepared himself to play defense. I love his talent, but at times I'm baffled by his play.

Biedrins is awesome. He and Monta showed more effort tonight than the rest of the team combined. God if only the whole team tried as hard as those two.

Wait, not Foyle. He tries too hard. Goddamn that guy kills me man. It's uncomfortable to watch him play. It gives me a stiff neck. I'm on pins and needles every time the ball is near him.

-- Here's an idea: Foyle should just cherry pick on defense. He should never cross half-court, just stay on defense the entire time he's on the floor. That would be sweet.

Ike - dude, what happened bud? I think Ike is having some psychological issues -- do you see how he hangs his head when a play doesn't go his way? I love his game, but I wonder if he hasn't sort of "taken himself out of the offense" as much as Monty has. If only he showed the same kind of exuberance that Biedrins and Monta show. Don't get me wrong -- I'm a huge Ike fan, but right now I don't like his vibe. I hope he cheers up, get's excited, gets pissed off, gets aggressive, and takes advantage of his opportunity. In a year from now, he could either be a full-time starter or a ghost on the bench. I hope he's a starter.

P.S. The Warriors are still going 18-8 to close out March.

 

Nice post, Alleyoop. PG is definitely a problem for this team. When the W's first got Baron, I didn't know how much of selfish player he was. Quite frankly I'd rather have claxton, because he plays better D and doesn't shoot 3's because he knows he'll miss, but still he is a very shoot first type of guard.

As much as they need an upgrade it seems at almost all the positions, I think PG is the biggest problem, since this team has players that are capable of scoring, but a few players aren't playing as a team and taking bad shots.

They should bring John Stockton out of retirement.

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Probably some of the blame goes to Monty for not being able to control him, but neither could Byron Scott or Paul Silas. At this point he seems like a slightly worse version of Stephon Marbury.

 

Good post Alleyoop. I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing these flaws. It's hard enough trying to win on our strengths as a perimeter team, but we've got outside chucking guys that try to do their own thing too many times and that doesn't work in team basketball with a small lineup that struggles to rebound, play defense, or create offense. Especially, with our lack of a competent, starting center and some problems with our backcourt's defense, movement, and decision making, it can only get worse when those shots aren't falling and they're not spacing the floor for each other.

Also Dunleavy at PF? WTF? They do the same thing as if Murphy hadn't sat out the game, which is put softness and lack of presence at the four position. Perimeter guys can drive on that all day when defensive players try to swipe at the ball and not stay in front. If I'm 6'8, athletic, my teammates have gotten Foyle way out of position or those guards can't stay in front of me, I'm dunking on Dunleavy or Murphy.

The only improvement Mullin has made to the team was Baron Davis. That's it... The rest is the same, more or less... unless we gamble on playing those rookies more... mistakes and nervousness included. I don't know how Ike mentally is going to handle the pressure, but it can't be just a couple of touches and then he's done... He's got to start hot and finish hot, build that confidence and overcome doubt. Ike can't show the coach that he gets down on himself, he's got to be like Monta Ellis. Fearless. I think then he'll see minutes. I think Montgomery is a coach that's misunderstood in a way that he'll never play rookies because it puts too much pressure on them too soon. I hate that philosophy, but it shows the coach cares. BTW I learned that from somebody who actually has read up about Montgomery than any Warriors fan probably cares to know. It's a series of problems we have and not just the coaching identity or style for this team. So I think it's kind of ignorant that we say "Fire Monty" when we should be saying "Fire some of these low-bball I.Q. players or guys that can't get it done". Mullin ain't free from this. He's made one blockbuster move, but it's not enough because there weren't any great complimentary moves following it. Then there's also the fact he signed Dunleavy too soon and he's having a horrible year.

Defense wise we'll never be good unless the Warriors give that effort through injury or fatigue or whatnot. Hopefully, Mullin can do something to help this team from tailspinning and change its team dynamic, but he made some really stupid decisions on those contracts with some of these veteran players. I'd take Clif Robinson over Foyle or Fish if I wanted some 40% shooter that likes to bomb 3's and can't rebound... at least you got a guy that can pass the ball, play smart D all around, recognize the opportunity to pass right away for a break, and (IMO) a real veteran presence that will defer the shot unless he's got no choice but to take it. Fish will just force the issue sometimes and on the break he can't make those successful at all. Foyle just sucks, he's got all this heart, great attitude, but in the last 8 years it's been consistent that we haven't won anything with him on the team. If you want a scapegoat, it's the team's talent level which includes our lack of a real center, the ballhandlers and their decision making, and their inability to work as a team and find some identity. In two years it could be bad contracts bringing this franchise down, but for this season, it's the lack of an identity. We can't be a fastbreaking team if we don't have the rebounding, transition D, and the decision making down. Without Murphy this becomes more apparent that we need more toughness on the glass, better midrange shooting, and somebody that is at least close to the size/weight of a real power forward. Dunleavy is tall at power forward, but he ain't strong as Keith Van Horn or Antoine Walker.

 

I don't know if anyone mentioned this but Baron kept getting caught in those high pick-n-rolls, as well as Fisher. It seemed Montay was the only one who either decided to go under the screen or over it. I mean, Jesus!!! How many times did we get killed by the pick-n-roll. How sad is it that an NBA team can't defend a pick-n-roll not once but a billion times in a row!?!?!?!!

 

I normally can say, if we change x or x and y things would be better. But this team simply has no heart. I mean, sure there are some serious holes in the team. The skills of the collective players don't compliment each other, but damn. QUIT CHUCKING!!! I'm beginning to hate Fisher. I don't care if he's feeling it, he's a black hole that kills the flow of the team. Ellis should be getting ALL of the backup point guard minutes.

As for Ike, I mean, he was the deal breaker in the Artest trade, why? He's not going to help this team make it to the playoffs. Use him to dump salary and get a guy that will help us to get to the playoffs this year. I'm officially impatient. I can't take watching bad basketball anymore.

 

The perimeter play is bad offensively, this is especially since Jason has come back. I am not putting the blame on Jason Richardson, but as a team, they haven't made the adjustments to continue to the good team ball that they were playing while Jason was injured.

The reasons why the perimeter play has been bad, is rather simple.

1. The perimeter defense is terrible, as noted, recently, and for quite a long time with Jason Richardson and even I guess Baron Davis now. And the communication on screens between the perimeter defenders and the help defenders is bad too. Nothing new here, a problem that was around the last time the Warriors faced Indiana and then the Grizzlies.

2. The perimeter players only look to make the assist or the shot when they touch the ball. This consists of chucking lots of 3's which the whole team does, including Ellis; bad ball movement of the ball around the court; or just one-on-one play trying to take the man off the dribble which could lead to passing it back out for the 3, struggling and putting up a bad shot, or other ugliness. As a team, there hasn't been the talks to pass the ball around for movement. The only plans to pass the ball is to get the assist, the one pass and shot. This is what Baron Davis does, but it's also what all the other PG's do on the court, and the coaching staff ignores changing it.

3. There are too many perimeter players on the court at one time. This makes for bad spacing, and with a lack of spacing, that means that there are probably 2 players not doing anything on most offensive possessions(not in the paint posting up to get an easier shot, and not trying to get the offensive rebound).

And really, I don't know why Ike didn't play more. He put up the points, boards, and assists when he was in there as the starter, but was taken out quickly, for no reason it seemed. I wouldn't have so much confidence if I were Ike either, or even Zarko. Why those two don't play more, I don't understand. Zarko especially would help the ball movement situation, and rebounding and size and fewer 3 point attempts(as would Ike Diogu for all of these).

Mike Montgomery has shown that he is content with this style of play, he seems to encourage it to many degrees, and the players are still playing, but of course without too much confidence with so much losing.

 

Anyone notice that Dunleavy shot 1-11? Something must've happened to him during the summer, his shot is way off.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Clif25:</div><div class="quote_post">The perimeter play is bad offensively, this is especially since Jason has come back. I am not putting the blame on Jason Richardson, but as a team, they haven't made the adjustments to continue to the good team ball that they were playing while Jason was injured.

The reasons why the perimeter play has been bad, is rather simple.

1. The perimeter defense is terrible, as noted, recently, and for quite a long time with Jason Richardson and even I guess Baron Davis now. And the communication on screens between the perimeter defenders and the help defenders is bad too. Nothing new here, a problem that was around the last time the Warriors faced Indiana and then the Grizzlies.

2. The perimeter players only look to make the assist or the shot when they touch the ball. This consists of chucking lots of 3's which the whole team does, including Ellis; bad ball movement of the ball around the court; or just one-on-one play trying to take the man off the dribble which could lead to passing it back out for the 3, struggling and putting up a bad shot, or other ugliness. As a team, there hasn't been the talks to pass the ball around for movement. The only plans to pass the ball is to get the assist, the one pass and shot. This is what Baron Davis does, but it's also what all the other PG's do on the court, and the coaching staff ignores changing it.

3. There are too many perimeter players on the court at one time. This makes for bad spacing, and with a lack of spacing, that means that there are probably 2 players not doing anything on most offensive possessions(not in the paint posting up to get an easier shot, and not trying to get the offensive rebound).

And really, I don't know why Ike didn't play more. He put up the points, boards, and assists when he was in there as the starter, but was taken out quickly, for no reason it seemed. I wouldn't have so much confidence if I were Ike either, or even Zarko. Why those two don't play more, I don't understand. Zarko especially would help the ball movement situation, and rebounding and size and fewer 3 point attempts(as would Ike Diogu for all of these).

Mike Montgomery has shown that he is content with this style of play, he seems to encourage it to many degrees, and the players are still playing, but of course without too much confidence with so much losing.</div>
Zarko is injured, I think. Lower back spasms. But yeah I agree with almost everything. I don't know why Montgomery won't take a chance on these rookies... Play Ike 20 minutes, that's all we're asking for. We need some kind of interior presence because our perimeter based team isn't that good unless we get that floor spacing and activity off the ball. Ike will do both. I'm suprised how few court aware players we have when it comes to certain things. The team lacks fundamentals, chemistry, and whatnot. It's why less talented teams that work together, beat our asses. Well, they don't beat our asses, but we lose by a few points. A few measly points.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyone notice that Dunleavy shot 1-11? Something must've happened to him during the summer, his shot is way off.</div>
Yeah and Barnett stopped swooning over him so much, so any jinxing ain't the problem. It could be all that money he's carrying around in his pockets made his legs all tired, so he shoots it short.

Yeah, he had a bad game along with Bdiddy and Jrich. When your point guard has to chuck that many times, that just sucks. But we can't blame Baron. He's been hurt a lot lately and who does he have to go to inside? If I was the point guard, I wouldn't pass to Foyle's ass if he was standing inside the rim.

Then with Jrich. He's going to be who he is, a power guard (a forward inside a shooting guard's body). He's not too quick, but he can sure jump his way to the basket and overpower players his size. He's really good with that jump shot at the top of the key and finishing near the rim. Now only if he shot his free throws like a jumpshot he'd probably be a decent shooter.

Even when we're missing a guy like Murphy, the real barometer in my opinion has always been what can Dunleavy do to impact this team? He's really the only guy that could create his own shot if he were a little bit quicker against matchups in the small forward department. He's got wonderful ballhandling skills and some nice passing. If they play Dunleavy at power forward he owns anybody off the dribble, but that makes him strictly an offensive player. Defensively, he's outmatched against guys that can post him up, he can't defend the rim as well as Murphy can even though Dun makes the effort to play weakside help as best as he can. And then unless Dunleavy is hitting the outside shot and finishing inside, he's basically useless. When Dunleavy actually does play well, it means he's aggressive, and he's going to get some defensive attention on him that will free some other player open for a pass. So we potentially have a guy that could make others better, but how often do we get that? Also, like Baron, there's really nobody to get the ball inside to. Foyle should be shooting 5 of 5 every single game, but he'll find some way to miss a few easy ones that could have been the difference in the game (aside from free throws or stupid turnovers or dumbass contested threes that led to fastbreaks points going the other way). I don't mind the wide open three, just make it. Also, not to make Foyle the reason why we can't score inside, we need more guys who can cut to the hoop, actually cut to the hoop! Static offenses that rely on one guy to make the shots for everyone doesn't work. Smart defenses will just close up on the dribble penetrating passer and zone up on non-ballhandling shooters that stand around.

 

Dunleavy has the skills, just not the right mind set. He needs to play within himself and do what only he's capable of. As for Baron, the critics are growing out there. While I agree with the problems, I for one stick by him. I feel he doesn't play within himself either, like Dunleavy. I think he puts too much of the teams fate in his hands and does too much, which can be a problem. He's starting to lose trust in the teams players (if I was playing with Foyle and Dunleavy I would as well). If he doesn't trust them to make a shot, he'll shoot it himself. While he's shooting 39%, Dunleavy is shooting 40% and Fisher 41% also. If all those 3 players didn't shoot 3's so much, I think they'd be 43% at least.

Anyway, I think one of the differences from this seasons team compared to last seasons is the style of play. Anyone remember how they played last season? It was run and gun, very similar to the Suns I thought. Even Shawn Marion said the Warriors played like the Suns. They even beat the Suns twice at their own game last season. But it's different now, Monty is trying to go to a slower paced game. Which unfortunately I don't think they feel comfortable in. They had chemistry in the running game. Look at Baron's stats.

With the Warriors last season he shot 40% also, he actually shot more 3's, had less assists, and had the same number of points. Although his FT was better last season. We all complained about his FG and treys last year, but it wasn't such a big deal cause they were winning. But now they're not, Baron's game didn't change much so itmust be something else. I think he still plays the same way as he did last season. And thats the problem, he's playing the same way he did last season but under a different system now. His play fits a run and gun team, not the way the Warriors are now. If anyone wants to see how they played last season I got 2 games they can watch and compare to their current games.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">
Anyway, I think one of the differences from this seasons team compared to last seasons is the style of play. Anyone remember how they played last season? It was run and gun, very similar to the Suns I thought. Even Shawn Marion said the Warriors played like the Suns. They even beat the Suns twice at their own game last season. But it's different now, Monty is trying to go to a slower paced game. Which unfortunately I don't think they feel comfortable in. They had chemistry in the running game. Look at Baron's stats. </div>

I feel bad for posting yet again, but I'll use it to ask a question instead of comments. Doesn't anyone agree with me that the Warriors need to develop some balance and a mindset to play this slower paced style of game with defense and less three point attempts? Warriors can run anytime they want against less athletic teams if they snatch the defensive boards and get the pass out quickly, and have Baron at the center of every fastbreak. Ideally, the Warriors should mix it up to control the tempo, but I think the Warriors need some structure when Baron Davis is taken out of the play or when the Warriors need to win with defense when the perimeter shots aren't falling and they're playing against a more athletic team like the Nuggets/Suns.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">I feel bad for posting yet again, but I'll use it to ask a question instead of comments. Doesn't anyone agree with me that the Warriors need to develop some balance and a mindset to play this slower paced style of game with defense and less three point attempts? Warriors can run anytime they want against less athletic teams if they snatch the defensive boards and get the pass out quickly, and have Baron at the center of every fastbreak. Ideally, the Warriors should mix it up to control the tempo, but I think the Warriors need some structure when Baron Davis is taken out of the play or when the Warriors need to win with defense when the perimeter shots aren't falling and they're playing against a more athletic team like the Nuggets/Suns.</div>

I agree, I would like to see them play slower, play %'s, and use fundamentals. But the reality is that they aren't good at it for some reason and that they were more successful in the running game. If the players don't fit into the system, the coach should make a system that fits them.

 

It's hard to find an answer -- which is probably why I so often talk basketball on an internet forum. The 3s are great when they're going down, and make no mistake there are times when they are the correct shot, the right decision to make.

But not very often. I'd say half of the Warriors 3s come near the end of the 24 second shot clock; not necessariy bail-out shots, but because a guard has the ball, well outside the arc, with only 3-4 seconds on the clock ---> they have no option to pass or drive, only to fake a dribble threat and jack one up. This isn't always a sign of patience (as if they try to use the whole clock to their advantage); it's a sign of either a) the Warriors take too long to get into the initial set, or When a play breaks down the Warriors take too long to find a second option.

IMO, in the half court tempo, the Warriors take way too long bringing the ball up court and getting into the set. Often Baron brings it up with a lax attitude, walking it up, pointing, looking at the clock, looking at his defender, faking a move, gesturing the play call, waiting, and the first pass in the set could come with only 12-14 seconds left on the clock.

This inability to get up court and into the set quickly results in more time-pressured low-percentage threes. Often the clock will wind down to 4-5 and either JRich or Baron will once again, without fail, be standing with the ball in their hands and be forced to go. Instead of going to the hole, they go to the arc and jack one.

So, I don't think the Warriors need to run-n-gun and try to push the break every time. Especially when Fisher's in at point -- he's terrible at running a correct, fundamental, textbook break. He doesn't pass on time, doesn't stretch the defender, and causes offensive fouls.

But I do think they need to push the ball up court and pressure it in order to get the play rolling faster and not waste the shot clock.

Pushing it up court does not mean playing renegade wild-west run-n-gun basketball, it just means being efficient and getting to work right away, ala John Stockton.

 

I believe the Warriors can play with several strategies, that's kind of how their roster is set up.

With Jason Richardson, playing a game that will have more open court situations for him is a good thing, since Jason has become a pretty good open court player in the game today. Playing this style could also favor Pietrus as well as Baron Davis, as two players who can create these situations for easy buckets.

However with players like Fisher, Murphy, Diogu, Biedrins, and Dunleavy; playing a balanced half court sets would suit their games. Fisher is a good set up shooter, Murphy is also a shooter or pump fake and take it to the hoop player, Diogu is good as a passer or scorer in the half court offense, Biedrins always can find ways to get open inbetween defenders, and Dunleavy also is kind of a set up shooter or once in a while take his man off the dribble player(which is even more Pietrus' game). But Dunleavy is just the other player to pass it around too.

I believe the Warriors more often should play that balanced attack, just to try to get everyone envolved, especially early in games. Then after that go with the hot hands and maybe look to go more run and gun to get at least Jason going if nothing else is working. One thing that pushes that running offense is good pressure on defense from the perimeter. Unfortunately though, Baron and Jason have shown to be a bad back court defensive combination. I have grown to like it when Monta and Pietrus are in there for defense, because it beats the two games before where Butler, Arenas, Jackson, and Johnson torched Baron and Jason.

But the Warriors need structure when Baron is out and also in the games. I think their main strategy should be to get as many players involved in the game in the first half, especially the first quarter. Sometimes, maybe Baron and Jason try too much to be the constant heros and stars of the team, and forget about the team as a whole. Those two players love to challenge themselves for the betterment of the team by being the players to carry the Warriors at the end of games or from deficits. But sometimes I think it gets overdone. So then, of course a structure would be good, best being a strategy which gets more players involved. Such as look at how well the team plays when Baron or Jason is out(not both but just one) for a game with injury. I think the whole team plays better like that. I wish there was something that the coaching staff could come up with to make it something that happens even without there being an injury to either Baron or Jason though.

 

That's a good way to lay it out, Alleyoop. Not only valuing the posession, but using the clock wisely and just executing. I like the John Stockton example btw. I loved the player, but not his shorts. Any baller can't be showing off his thighs.

Also, Clif, nice comments of the Warriors backcourt and their versatility in playing certain styles. Jrich/Baron are great offensive players, but not so good defensively especially when Jrich is a such a slow laterally moving guard and Baron Davis just gambles for those steals or gets beat by quicker players. Warriors backcourt needs quickness and luckily Ellis and Pietrus give us that for when we need defensive assignments on those guys Jrich and Baron just can't guard by themselves.

Maybe a good running game lineup would be to have Zarko at center or power forward. The Warriors open court roster needs a guy that can get the pass off to the ballhandler or start the break right away... of course that means rebounding the ball first. Biedrins at center? Somebody needs to be a double digit rebounder for this to work.

 

Dude, Stockton pretty much showed off his package in that thong he'd wear. Maybe the sight of those shorts is what froze his defender on that crossover of his?

With that constant wedgie he had, he redifined the term "pick-n-roll."

But damn if he wasn't one of the best of all time. And what better combo than Stockton, Jerry Sloan, and Malone. Hornacek too. It's a shame they didn't get their ring.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AlleyOop:</div><div class="quote_post">Dude, Stockton pretty much showed off his package in that thong he'd wear. Maybe the sight of those shorts is what froze his defender on that crossover of his?

With that constant wedgie he had, he redifined the term "pick-n-roll."

But damn if he wasn't one of the best of all time. And what better combo than Stockton, Jerry Sloan, and Malone. Hornacek too. It's a shame they didn't get their ring.</div>

That's funny because the nba probably started going with the longer trunks because some dudes were hanging out of their short shorts legs. Maybe Stockton doesn't have that problem.

Yeah it's too bad Utah didn't win it all. Michael Jordan...what a Mormon hating bastard.

 

Jordon ruined a lot of dreams, and inspired many.