OT Grant High School teacher's 'rape culture' paper sparks controversy

Yes. Because they always put out this "1 in 6" women are sexually assaulted in college when the entire premise of it is due to poor sampling data. They take a self-assessment as a fact of criminal activity.

Which is unfortunate because its done at a supposed institution of higher learning.

 

That article is difficult to read. Rather verbose, maybe long winded is the term. Sort of reminds me of a long winded explanation of White Privileged.

But if you guys even think it is close to the truth, then what the hell are you going to do about it? I mean 1 in 6 women? Then doesn't that suggest 15 to 20% of you you guys are assholes?
How does this get fixed? It can't be government. Who is going to lead the ass kicking needed here?
Or is the cry too loud, too often, from too few ?

Maybe I never knew, only saw from my view?

 

In this thread, a bunch of men in a sports forum comment on how rape is overblown.

 

I am a victim of a sexual assault.

 

No. Nobody is commenting on whether rape is overblown. The discussion is about whether there is a rape culture in America.

I have never, at any point in my life, been told by any person that rape is okay. I have never seen anyone condone rape. So to argue that somehow rape is acceptable in this country, or encouraged, is ridiculous to me.

I think that this country commodifies women. I think attractive women can be seen as a trophy or a possession. I think sex can be made to be an achievement for men, but I also think that women are willing to overlook a lot of things for a mate that has a good job and makes good money. You don't see a lot of attractive men dating rich old broads.

I also think that our society has created a difficult game where men have to initiate all the contact, and they are never provided much guidance on how to do that. So we men employ a number of methods to try to generate a relationship with someone out of thin air, and it's not always appropriate. So when you pair up the idea of women as a commodity and men encouraged to initiate interest, you have a very rough courtship, which is sometimes unwanted.

 

Two things that are culturally the fault of this country:

1. Women need to be encouraged to initiate the first move. There needs to be a better balance in that regard. I think this has actually come a long way, and more women are feeling emboldened to show an overt interest when they like someone. That's a great first step, but the stigma of women being "overly aggressive" or " slutty" if they approach guys needs to go away. It should not be the man's job. It shouldn't be anyone's job. If you like someone, let them know. Plain and simple.

2. Hollywood needs to stop promoting this BS myth that women just need to be pursued harder if they're not interested. No, standing outside their house holding a boom box is not a good way to show interest in someone. Or I guess the old rules still apply.......

Rule 1: be attractive.
Rule 2: don't be unattractive.

The whole process seems very broken, with a lot of misinformation and backwards ideas. Working up the courage to show interest in a girl doesn't actually entitle you to anything. Becoming friends with someone with the goal of winning them over is also a horrible move. Hollywood has put out this idea that if she just gets to know YOU, she'll fall head over heels. They have been putting these stupid ideas into the heads of young men for decades.

So on the one hand, we have a bunch of dudes who think they're the lead in a romantic comedy, and then on the other hand we have a bunch of guys who think women are just another toy to be collected and thrown away when they're finished. In the middle we have quite a few guys who "get it," but it's not nearly enough. Hell, it took a lot of trial and error before I found my wife.

But I refuse to accept that any of this is part of a "rape culture." It's just a horribly misguided way of selling movies and bad information handed down from father to son. Courtship should be taught in schools. Or at least the very basic concepts of attraction, self confidence, and interpersonal relationships.

 

If we are talking about a "rape culture", that would be having sex without consent or being forced to do something sexually against your own wishes, which chimes in at 4% for women and 2% overall.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape

Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration carried out against a person without that person's consent.

 

The followup....

http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2017/05/portland_teacher_who_denied_ra.html

Hair pulling is assault. It's abuse. It's bullying...... but is it rape?

I was bullied in school. Pretty much from grade school all the way until high school. Not as bad as some, but I got my share of it. Does that mean I was raped? When we use the word "rape" to describe any and all negative interaction between men and women, the word loses its meaning.

If I told you that a man raped a woman, you wouldn't immediately think he pulled her hair. You would think that he forced intercourse on her. That's what the word means. That's why it's such a powerful word, and to diminish the word by attributing it to things like hair pulling in the hallway is........ wrong.

That's not to say that something shouldn't be done about bullying. It absolutely is a horrible thing that many people have to deal with, boys and girls, and it is still a very serious problem in this country, but it IS happening to both sexes and sometimes the bullying of boys can be just as, if not more, violent. She got her hair pulled? I knew a kid in high school that would constantly get shoved into lockers.... hard. I'm sure he wanted to hide in the bathrooms too. Was he raped?

 

Yes, no male has ever been the victim of sexual assault. That just doesn't happen.

 

If America has rape culture, does it have murder-culture?

Theft-culture?

Just crime-culture in general?

 

So basically, America has criminals.

Shocking.

 

It sounds like it doesn't even have to be sexual assault. It can just be any assault. That girl is saying that because her hair was pulled in the halls, she was raped.

 

Yeah, in my case I was coaching a special games athlete in college. He wanted to go to the bathroom, then he took his dick out and chased me around with a Boner.

Sexual Assault. I am a statistic. :MARIS61:

 

Special games athlete..... is that like the special olympics?

 

I was raped in Miami. I bought a 22 dollar personal pizza.

 

Yes. http://studentaffairs.lmu.edu/activities/centerforserviceandaction/getinvolvedincsa/specialgames/