Greg's Fault

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  1. Shapecity

    Shapecity S2/JBB Teamster Staff Member Administrator

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    I agree it was a terrible call. Dan Crawford had a slew of them throughout the game. He clearly loves the sound of his whistle.
     
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    And once again, Nate doesn't step up for the team and go ballistic on somebodies ass. Name a championship team over the last decade that isn't willing to get a T and get in a refs face over calls.

    The Lakers have a slew of players who get T's every game, and even their assistants get them.

    The Spurs Popovich and when Bowen was there got T's all the time. Even Timmy D has got a T every once in a while.

    The Celtics KG gets T's all the time. Allen gets T's. Pierce gets T's. Rivers gets T's. Rhondo gets T's. Wallace will definitly get T's.

    Detroit had tons of players who got T'd up. Their coach duing their championship, Larry Brown, Got T'd up all the time.

    The bottom line is, sometimes players and coaches gotta call for an end to the bullshit. When Crawford called about 5 fouls in a row last night, Nate should have gone ballistic on him.
     
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    Bingo!

    Why did he receive a pass with only 5 seconds left in the game? I was stunned when Roy made that pass. You have a 4 good ft shooters on the floor and you pass it to the guy with the worst percentage? Way to pass the blame.

    Mental mistake by Roy for sure.
     
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    Unbelievable. Nate should run the offense for Oden, but not when it matters the most. Then it's Roy's fault for putting Oden on the line with a chance to take the lead.
     
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    I have to disagree. If Oden is half the player his fans claim, that should have been a guaranteed 2 (or even 3) points. No excuses. Oden wasn't *solely* to blame for the loss, but he needs to take his share of the blame right along with Blake, Miller, Outlaw, and LMA.
     
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    :confused: Martin had Oden's arm - period. It may have even been intentional.
     
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    Everyone's to blame. Aldridge sure isn't pulling his weight right now though, that's for sure. I'd start with him if I had to choose someone.
     
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    http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/10/28/1105221/charting-greg-odens-touches
     
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    There was one play last night where Greg was right under the basket in perfect position and Aldridge didn't get the ball to him, and instead settled for a fade away jumper. Sort of disappointing.
     
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    so he never touched the ball again all game. instead of giving him the ball a few times early and saying if he doesn't score, he's not going to see the ball again all game, wouldn't it make more sense to actually use him as a part of the offense?
     
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    Did anyone see the video of GO after the game? Man, I felt for him. All he's known previous to coming here is success. Since he arrived here, it's been largely struggle. He took this loss personally and hard.

    http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/10/postgame_video_denver_97_portl.html

    The bottom line is we shot 36.4% against a very good team. You're not going to beat the best in the NBA shooting like that. This loss can be shared by Oden, because he's a Blazer, but it's not his alone nor does he bear a disproportionate share.
     
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    The amount of good opportunities Oden got last night was about perfect imo considering he only played 20 minutes. It's sort of his own fault he didn't get more in the 2nd half by getting into foul trouble and not being able to play long stretches and get in a rhythm.

    I still think he can avg 13/11 this season.
     
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    what? it was terrible calls both ways. nate's supposed to lose the game by getting a tech near the end because the refs are being shitty both ways?

    the funniest thing about the "nate never stands up for the team" argument was that last year when he did get a tech, it always seemed like the same people who would make that argument would complain that he cost the team by getting one.
     
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    of course his 4th foul that put him on the bench early in the 2nd half was a pretty weak call.
     
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    Done correctly, losing one point on a tech can garner you another 3-6 points in letting the refs know you're watching. Gregg Popovich and Phil Jackson are masters at it.
     
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    So was his second foul in the 1st quarter. The game was being called tightly. We have to learn to adjust.
     
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    No, you don't know that.
     
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    Including from the bench while laughing at Joey Crawford. :)
     
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    I think you're misrepresenting. The vast majority of the posters you're painting with that broad brush think that Nate should run SOME offense for Oden, so that he gets more than 1 actual shot attempt (other than his own OReb) per game. I'm not sure that that one shot should be as Roy's safety valve with 5 seconds left. That's the argument, here.
    Do you think Oden should've been the safety valve, and that that's how the play was drawn up? Taken in that context, its probably a bit more believable.
     

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